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Why not just real black? Although expensive at ~$34/lb, it is not that bad, and itis the real thing.

Just my opinion.
Based on 35 years of SxS shoot attendance.
Every shoot but a couple that cost a shooter more than $100.00 (including shells) will struggle.

In the LP of MI we have many, mostly well attended, that acknowledge the reality that these customers are cost sensitive.
Fuel, cartridges, targets, and then rooms and meals, push the most ambitious shots away from attending.

The TofT shoot (great venue and people) was a perfect example of reaching too far.

I enjoyed shooting there, but I have good ears, and heard avg SxS shooters discussing it (+ and -)for many years after.

Like my local fireman said, "So many variables." And it says, right in Marc Ret's third post that ammunition is safe, "if it IS NOT IN THE CHAMBER OF A FIREARM. 🙄

I have a 20 gauge field grade on which I am duplicating the ejector mechanism right now, Bill. What is your schedule? I should be finished copying the ejector parts by later this summer.

Mike:

You have to join your brother on his turkey hunts. Those are two nice birds right there. Nicely done. Russ

I had a chance to buy one of these several years ago at the Grand American in Vandalia, Ohio. I believe Jaqua's had it for sale. It was really worn so I chose to pass on it. I was probably more interested in the Model 21s at the time. Gorgeous guns!!

I have to second Daryl and Stanton's comments. Take some good pics, compile a good description and post it here, in the fore sale section! You have a good and possibly willing audience!

Chief

Just ordered mine. I was told it was looking like the first week of June for shipping. I just purchased the entire set from a member of another group from 2017 back to 1989. It included the first two indexes. The newer issues I already had. Looking forward to it.

Daryl, I doubt that the two posters I questioned are referring to Tom Gibbons. I would guess that the dealers I am asking about are alive and well. I don't see the harm in naming the dealers in question if the stories are true, which I assume they are.

Nice

Aaron, an absolutely outstanding and fascinating presentation. Thanks. Gene Williams

Does it state anything about solid ribs being available on Lightenings?

According to Ned Schwing's book on "The Browning Superposed", 1996, page 241, the stock dimensions for the 20 ga were changed in 1960 to D@C = 1 1/2", D@H =2 3/8" from D@C=1 5/8", D@H 2 1/2". The LOP stayed the same at 14 1/4". The post 1960 stock dimensions are much more workable for me than the earlier dimensions with more drop.

Ideally, I'd like to find an all original 1960-1965 Grade I vintage RKLT 20ga Lightening with 28" M/F choked barrels and a solid rib. I am not at all sure it was ever available in that specific configuration. It seems like they may have all been made with vent ribs???

Alois Jiricek, the Grandfather of Hans Jiricek, was born in 1871 in Raczice, Czechia and moved to Imperial Vienna. Otto Jiricek, Father of Hans, was born in Vienna in 1904 and also Hans Jiricek was born in Vienna 26 years later in 1930. None of his family, ancestors nor descendants, were in the craft of gunmaking. Hans' specialty was in stock repair, specifically in stockbending and broken stocks where he employed the >>tongue & groove<</„Nut und Feder“ method. With the passing of Hans, this truly marks the end of an era.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Homesteader, I looked at the photo of your L.C. Smith, and am extremely skeptical that this is some original and rare grade or variant. More like 100% skeptical.

Take a good look at the picture. The lock is stamped L.C. Smith in the usual location. There is dark grime, dirt, or whatever down in those stamped letters. Then look at the crude "Mark's Special" engraving. It was obviously added after the gun was case hardened. We can see remnants of the original case hardening colors. Engraving is almost always done before case hardening, because it is much tougher to cleanly cut the case hardened surface. The engraving cuts are shiny and not filled with the same grime or dirt that is seen in the stamped L.C. Smith lettering.

There is nothing here that should compel anyone to go off on a wild internet search, looking for some old defunct Mark's Hardware Store or Emporium that might have commissioned Hunter Arms Co. to produce a shotgun with Mark's name on it. There is nothing here to remotely suggest this was built as a presentation gun for Mark Twain, or Mark Zuckerberg either.


It might be entertaining to start a new Thread, just to see who might be naive enough to think you have something almost as rare as the Czar's Parker. I'd suggest you simply accept the gun for what it appears to be... a well used 00 grade L.C. Smith that has been altered with crude added engraving, well after it was built. It is not some rare variation that would be the heart's desire of any intelligent L.C. Smith collector. If it is safe to shoot, then use it as a Rainy-Day-Loan-it-to-Your-Brother-in-Law gun. Don't waste good money on a Factory Letter as you were advised on the L.C. Smith forum. Keep the money to buy some appropriate low pressure shells instead.

Is the right hammer a replacement? I can’t tell from the pictures.

Nice old gun.

Best,
Ted

Well, just to to imgbox & upload a stack of fotos & choose >>Adult Version<< and then post. When you view you will have all you wish & more.


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Indeed. He is racking up negatives pretty regularly now. Interesting that he is an "A" rated seller. I wonder how far he has to slip to become a "B"?

I have seen this with many other triggers besides Jewel. When CZ first brought their center fire carbine, it had a set trigger. It was bad about the same thing, and experimentation showed that there was no way to get out of it. If you set the trigger with a chambered round and set the safety, there no course but to find a safe place to point it and hold on while you flipped the safety off. If I remember correctly, you could not cycle the bolt on safe. I suspect this is the reason the trigger wasn't sold for long. They did the same thing in a way with their factory replacement fot their rimfire rifles. Called a Hummingbird or something similar. Great trigger, but very easy to adjust past the point of reliability.

With the Jewel, it is sometimes related to the action and trigger needing to be timed as to engagement. It is more common with commercial and modified commercial actions than with high end clone actions.

Exquisite engraving!! On both guns!!👍

Looks good Bob

To finish this inquiry, these questions were really raised at last September Vintegers' shoot in Pennsylvania when I looked over a John Dickson central-fire dated per his records from 1865. On holding it I immediately said "converted pin-fire" and was met with hostility. The records proved me wrong.

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This carries four boxes of 12 gauge if you want to carry something smaller.

Dave, new to site, a little something sent via wifes paypal Charci cause I havent a clue where she stashes all my money :-)

ChiefC

Thanks for looking into this Dave.

I brought it up because it seems to be getting a bit worse over time. It has happened to me on two different P.C.'s and my Android phone, and using different WiFi networks, so didn't appear to be anything on my end. I figured it might be a sign of an incipient hardware failure.

Steve, I sent you a message about shipping info and you removed yourself from the conversation, what's up?