I agree with King. I don't shoot sporting clays, so maybe I should sit quietly, but I have to say that I am quicker to take advice from an older ,wiser man (who might have "lost a step")than from a younger hot shot. I don't wish to offend anyone, but I have never met a young wise man. If you wanted to learn how to be a good wide receiver, would you go to T.O.? I'd rather go to a retired wide receiver....or maybe even to an old coach who never played but was a good observer. Mike h