Ron,

I find them crawling on the leaves. Drew dissects them, names them and put 'em on the shelf. (Hmm, sounds like he does all the work.)

Any insights you can offer from Oscar's research or your own are most welcome. Because of his great effort, I think we have made some progress.

My Rosetta stone is different than Drew's. I keep looking for the 1st documented maker who was assembling billets to control the final product. I think it is 6 to 5 that it occurred in Liege or St Etienne, but have no hard data at this time.

There is still more to come about the Islamic and Hindu origins...

Pete