My father didn't shoot S&S when I was growing up and was taught to shoot My first gun(other than an air gun) was a .22 shot moskeet pump. Many years later when Winchester Model 23's were selling cheap he bought a few of them and found he didn't shoot them well. I bought a Model 23 Grande Canadian 20 ga. from him and as said in a different post, shot loose it in Columbia and Argentina in the eighties and ninties. I fell in love with side by sides and except for trap and like games(helice and etc.) that's what I shoot. I am trying to find or make a S by S for those games too.