Thanks will try after we get back. Going up next weekend with my son and my dog. I can't hunt any more due to failing eyesight, but can act as guide, dishwasher, mushroom gatherer, and host for the visiting locals. We will have been hunting at this cabin for 50 years, having purchased it in 1971. Will be sad to leave my old Sauer 16 and raggedy hunting coat in the closet.