CI: I thought those two guns were 21s, but I just wasn't sure. Very nice! The BSS suggestion is an excellent one. Over the years I've seen (& sold) several large, long and heavy boxlocks with single triggers that I knew were well-made but just didn't fit my personal model for hunting (unless I was thinking about waterfowl). The non-tox situation sort-of obviated my interest in those guns over the years but I did admire the better made versions. I know the autos are very popular but....I just can't warm up to them. I'll either find a good intro stackbarrel or I'll find the appropriate boxlock to fit to my purposes.