So I purchased a nice original but well used Lefever Nitro 410 from early 20's 203104. I believe the stock was cut to 13 1/2" so I added a silvers pad. My gun has the rounded pistol grip, it appears that later guns had better stock dimensions and a capped pistol grip. What did the early Ithaca catalogs or ads say about LOP?? I have turned my nose up at Lefever Nitro's but they really are solid guns but modestly (I won't say poorly because they were price sensitive entry level shotguns) finished. It's always fun to discover something new in vintage American made shotguns.