titewad "killer bees" are the softest shooting shells I have ever found. Been very informative following your posts, though, 2 piper. I don't have an explanation for why I have experienced such wicked recoil with Longshot, and I don't mind shooting my 375 or seven mag. In fact I have never considered my 30'06 to recoil substantially even with the 220 grainers I took elk hunting once. Longshot just seems to have the right wave length to ring my bell and make me feel "head-achy." I wonder if vibration patterns work in both directions?