Now that we realize that the shell shows signs of extreme pressure, and was a reload, all bets are off and we are back at square one. By the way, Drew's assessment of the LCSCA forum matches the assessment I mentioned to the moderator probably ten years ago which was brushed aside. I assume Reverend Drew was also brushed aside. I don't go there, and I don't pay dues, even though I shoot the guns and like the members.