Addendum..whatever......Thanks to revdocdrew for posting Fox HE 12b Original 3'' chambers 32' Tubes, Sr No 27809,McIntosh recorded No 27800 HE 12b 32'inch Bbls. 2.3/4" chambers,oct 20 1922 for a Dr H H Liebold..as the 1st Production HE. Rowe Clark found no other HE Mods.prior to "My Old Beater".(No 27808 has no card in the file) 27810 was not a HE.Of course this was back in Nov.1993, and the"Hammering of Gunsmiths beating their Artifacts into "Parfoxelsielefeverithicawinch has still the reach its Zenith!...So by now ,maybe the records can show that 'WE' were all wrong with our Research!!Back in 2005, James Fender and 'Self" did a artical on No 27809,"Member of the Joe Knapp Club". MMcI & Self, Did shoot several of my Orig, 3inch Super X CARTRIDGES through the old Becker Bores....cc