Sand, here is a line from 2011 on Verney-Carron involving most of the usual suspects above. It is long and gets into arguments over Belgian barrels and Belgian use of VC patents etc. But it's very good.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbt...amp;type=thread

You'll notice though that it confuses HELICE with an actual lock or an actual patent - it isn't. Aas we've established I in another line HELICE is just a generic name for Helical and it was used by many companies in many different forms. Nevertheless even the French get confused and there is a gun on Guns International now adversing a "French-made Helice" SxS.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-fo...un_id=100827533

Baluch are not Brahui, Brahui are Baluch