Fellows,I just logged on after several days and found the additional info on the Helice grip guns. I got the Verney Carron gun and it is the gun Dawson had referenced in the above photo. I will try to post pictures later, but for now, I will say that is definitely a best, with all the usual best features which I mentioned in the previous post. The S/N I'm not sure about. The only no. that is on all three parts, is T3. The water table has the no. 884,along with T3,the VC trademark,and Acier Diamont. The barrels have on the flats the words Trempe, verney-carron integralbloc, Vercar stamp and 70, which I assume means 2 3/4" chambers,which the barrels have.T3 is the only other marking other than St. Etienne proofs.the barrels are chopper lump as stated previously. The gun appears to possibly be a live pigeon gun, as it weighs 7 1/3 lbs. and has a non auto safety ,along with 2 3/4 chambers.Can anyone give me any idea when it might have been made,other than pre-war?