Ya, in my case I'll use this 12 gauge Cyl/IC shotgun for early pheasants and ruffed grouse. I've got pointing dogs taught by the school of wild birds, so the vast majority of these shots are under 30 yards, and mostly under 25. I can't imagine a better choke than Cylinder for these shots. I've had MORE trouble lately missing close birds because I don't want to ruin them, and then miss the head shot, or ride them out which isn't always a good option in heavy cover. Fortunately, like any good boy scout I have another 5 upland shotguns to fall back on if I need more choke.