SKB - I stand corrected and apologize accordingly. I somehow knew I was out on a limb, it was late and I was trying to remember cases where names of guns were mutations of fine, expensive guns and that came to mind first.

However, I didn't mean in either case that the guns were shoddy or not quality merchandise, hence my reference to "back alley Birmingham craftsman", of which I have the highest respect and a bunch of guns to prove it.

That reference was for T Woodward guns; I was just trying to address Tim's intimation that the "J" was somehow a typo meant to be a "T" in the case of the .450 BPE cited.

As I mentioned, I own a very fine T Woodward double rifle, and it is built soundly. But as much as I love it I realize it is definitely not a J Woodward make.

That's all, really. Again, please accept my apologies for a muddled comment made in haste.