Let me try to respond to all of your comments. The guns recently came out of the attic of a friend of mine who died a few years ago. He kept no records so they can't be tracked. A lot of his stuff seems to have "disappeared". I went to Bertram & co web site, nice work there, I will get with them later. Blackley & Son seems to have locks for muzzle loaders, I will have to ask about back and forward action breech loaders. Gun #2 is very nicely, probably second tier, engraved with about 85% case color remaining. Keep the thoughts coming as I am at a loss.
I am located in Spanish Springs Nevada, north of Reno.
Thanks, Larry

Last edited by Larry21556; 12/10/12 10:41 PM.