Originally Posted By: Gnomon


Very true - but it's to some extent a myth that one can appoint "conservative" (whatever that is) or "liberal" (whatever that is) justices and expect them to vote in a predictable way. Especially on social issues - and gun rights is a social issue. Just look at the expectation regarding how the current Court might vote on the Arizona immigration laws. It really isn't an"us" vs "them" situation but is far more nuanced.


I'm astounded that you would put up the words conservative and liberal and then add "(whatever that is)", as if there isn't a distinct and easily recognizable difference. It is common knowledge that four of the current SCOTUS justices are commonly referred to as the liberal wing. They are pretty easy to identify. They are the ones who voted in Heller that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual right to keep and bear arms. The other five justices are the ones who are commonly referred to as the conservative wing. All five of them agreed in Heller that the Second Amendment means exactly what it says... not some twisted perverted interpretation of the truth which is supported by the words and papers of the framers of the Constitution themselves.

The four liberals vainly tried to twist the truth. The five conservatives affirmed the truth. That is statistically significant.

It is not, as you say, very nuanced. Admittedly, there are no guarantees that any justice will vote in a totally predictable way. Justice Stevens is a perfect example of that. But the 5-4 decision in Heller came as a surprise to no-one. And when it comes to preserving the Second Amendment, we would be wise to stack the odds in our favor. Supporting Obama does exactly the opposite.

Fortunately, voting on the Supreme Court is watched more closely than voting in Vermont or Chicago, because almost certainly, a couple dead liberal justices would have voted to deny our individual right to keep and bear arms.

Both of Obama's first term Supreme Court nominees shared his vehemently anti-gun vision. Both of them lied about that during their confirmation hearings. All too often, that is a way to tell the liberal from the conservative. But you already know that. Please don't try again to convince anyone that Obama is not a threat to gun rights and gun ownership. It will only make you appear stupid. Again.


A true sign of mental illness is any gun owner who would vote for an Anti-Gunner like Joe Biden.