I should have titled the story Buying Classic American Shotguns since the only non-American guns were photos representing condition.

Dr Bob, I'll shoot some photos tommorow

Mike, Force of habit, you are certainly correct. Until the late 60s the hi brass, lo brass thing was pretty accurate. I never noticed it in the copy, guess that's part of being old.

Darrell, Other than chokes, I mentioned everything on my 25 item list that was a negitive. On the 16 bores measure .642 and .647 On the 12 it is .683 and .675. Both guns show a little brownish case color but mostly patina. The guns work well, the triggers feel good, the ejectors are properly timed on the EE, other than what's mentioned, there are no pits, dings, repairs, deep scratches or gouges, cracks bulges or dents. There's no proud metal, checkering is good and original, lettering sharp, good screws, No loosness, no vibro engraving, no missing beads.