nca225 if you are going roll your own spreader loads try different wads and velocities to adjust your pattern. My Fox and Lefever 16 gauge guns really respond well to Spread-R discs loaded in Cheddite hulls with Cheddite wads at 1170 - 1220 fps with 1 ounce of shot. IC opens to cylinder, Modified opens to IC and Full opens to light modified. Of course your results may differ. To get more spread remove the petals from the one piece wads. I have also tried to substitute Nitro Cards and fiber cushion wads for the plastic one piece wad but I have gotten some pretty patchy patterns beyond about 20 yards even from Full Choke guns.