You have brought up some valid reasons for not attending the Vintagers. However, to wind those reasons into "The Vintagers is going down the tubes." is ridiculous. How about "Rick Hemingway's shoot is going down the tubes because Murphy is not going." which would be equally ridiculous. OH! I probably will go to Rick's shoot as always. By the way, you and John did cite your financial woes as the reason you are not going to the Vintagers; the inability to make a profit.