How can Orlen who is supposedly MIA, be currently moderating and participating in online discussions on shotgunworld.com?....... From personal observations on this forum Mr. Hurst has been nothing short of a first class stand up gentleman since his arrival, and he deserves far better than the run around treatment he's getting from a man who continues posting about gun smithing topics on another web site.......... If Mr. Orlen was looking to cut his own throat, it appears he is succeeding. It is ridiculous for Orlen after this length of time and as a registered member of this site to pretend he is not aware and somehow unable to respond to this situation raised about his character and performance while he continues posting on shotgunworld.com...... It's obvious by not answering, Orlen has chosen to turn a blind eye spitting in the face of Ken Hurst and many others here with valid questions concerning their money spent long ago and Orlen work still not delivered. I seem to remember a well known guy who worked on Win-21's that started down this same road, and it did not end well. Best of luck Mike in your non responsive silence, cashing checks, not answering the phone or responding to emails, how's that working for ya so far?????????