loading data's the same but the hulls are near junk. i loaded up 2 flats of them and after that left the skeet field have them. what i loaded up - 3 or 4 different loads as i recall - they wouldn't hold crimps. i wouldn't pick them up off the ground. remington gun clubs are better.

i didn't have a problem with them buckling in a mec jr but i never got past one reload.