Initials Make of Gun Maker Mark Date Range Serial #s
E.W. Daly None circa - 1876 7 (E. Werner, more than likely related to Otto A. Werner, a gunmaking company listed up to 1900. The Werner klan had a long established history in gunmaking having approx. 10 folks listed as having some function in the gunmaking trade in the mid 1800s. Georg Gottlieb Werner owned a weapons forge while Jacob Werner was into forging tubes/pipes along with Adam, Gottgetreu, Johann Michael as master gunmakers.)
L.G or E.G Daly None circa - 1878 105(I haven’t found too many variable here but I’m leaning toward the S. August Grüber folk as about 30 years prior to this stamp August was listed as a master tube/pipe maker with a pipe/tube making hammer. Greifeld is a possibility and Greifelt(I realize a slight spelling difference) & Company wasn’t formed by Friedrich Greifelt and Emil Schlegelmilch(also owned Rosch, Steyer & Company probably early on with Stephan Gabriel Rosch, master gunmaker) until 1885. Ernst Grüber is my best guess for the “E.G.” stamp but Eisenwerke Gaggenau of Baden began producing metal wares in 1879 but for now I don’t think the “E.G.” stamp would be for a firm.)
K.S. Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1880 - 1885 2015, 2370, 2463, 2568(I’m still leaning toward a K. (“Karl”) Schlegelmilch of Heinrich & K. Schleglemilch or Heinrich K. Schlegelmilch, gunmaker. Heinrich Schlegelmilch is listed in the mid 1800s as a borer/driller, while Caspar was a master tube/pipe maker and Stephan Christian Schlegelmilch being a master borer/driller. Seeing that the name conjures up gunmaking, the town of Suhl also a symbol of gunmaking and that the Schlegelmilch family could by themselves produce a finished weapons product with Fredrich Wilhelm Schlegelmilch being just one of the master gunmakers; I therefore, assume that the boring/drilling was an integral part of gunmaking or finished tubes were a subset of the boring/drilling trade. Thieme(Adolph) & Schlegelmilch(Ernst was at the helm circa 1900) was probably involved. Schilling is still a possibility but the Ockam’s Razor principle is leading me to Schlegelmilch.)
A.B Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1885 - 1890 2706, 3551, 3665(August Blatt of Albrechts is a strong candidate along with Alex. Barthelmes of Zella-Mehlis, who was probably a decendent of Leopold Barthelmes(ss), a master gunmaker of Zella in the mid 1800s. Emil Barthelmes founded a gunmaking business in Zella in 1854.)
E.E. Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1886 2929, 3044(Emil Eckoldt founded his business in 1876 and by circa 1930 Robert Schilling was involved with Emil(probably Junior) and Hugo)
R.S. Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1888 3342(Robert Schlegelmilch? Or Richard Schüler?)
J.W. Daly Lindner (Crown) circa 1890 - 1892 3646, 3994(Julius Will, younger brother of Oscar Will who had a founding date of 1844 regarding metalworking and circa 1900 was peddling Lindner or Lindner type action doubles under Venuswaffenwerk)
J.W. Daly Lindner (HAL) circa 1892 - 1900 264, 439, 676, 766, 792(same as above)
R.S. Daly Lindner (HAL) circa 1892 - 1915 270, 300, 361, 380, 458, 584, 586, 650, 1092, 1109, 1560, 1586, 1650, 1655, 1730, 2048, 2138, 2158, 2362, 242X, 2437, 2463, 2479(I’m still going to hold with Robert Schlegelmilch)
M.S. or S.W. Daly Unknown Aug 1924 11574(Moritz Schilling???)
#1366, Hammergun, crown, "AS"(Alfred Schilling was born in 1876 so I’m going to assume he was too young. I had earlier thought August Gottlieb Schüler/August Schüler-1850, who was more than likely a relative of Friedrich Wilhelm or Christian Friedrich Schüler who had a manufacturing and fabrication business in 1835. I may have mixed August & Friedrich, but I think I’ve seen it posted that August dates back to 1835 and that is incorrect. Oscar & August Schüler formed a business in 1880 which was merged with or absorbed by August Schüler circa 1900. Oscar Schüler, or his heirs and assigns, looks to have migrated toward Richard Schüler to form a pre-WWI firm. Now on to who I really think the “A.S.” is stamped for: Albert Stobbe who began in 1865 and was operated by the 1930s by his widow Emilie Stobbe and son Rudolf Stobbe(educated guess).)
#3494, Crown, Diamond, "LE"(ah, the “E”s. I’ll guess the first name to be Louis or Ludwig and the last name to possibly be connected to one of the following:
W. Ebert
Richard Eck
Otto Eck
Emil Eckoldt
August Eckstein
Gottlieb Edhardt(maybe a different spelling for Eckholdt???)
Ant. Ehmann
August Endter
Ed. Essiger
Carl Eyring.
And there were the Eckebrecht brothers, Heinrich & Johann, who owned Heinrich Scherping circa 1897.
#1308, HAL, 185, blurred, cannot decypher.
#1866, HAL, Diamond, "RS"(Robert Schlegelmilch)
#1440, HAL, 185, "RS"(Robert Schlegelmilch)
#1550, HAL, Diamond, "RS" THIS GUN IS MARKED "1" OF A PAIR. ANYONE KNOW THE WHEREABOUTS OF #1551?(Robert Schlegelmilch)
I have one in the 3300 range with “W.M.” which was more than likely for Wilhelm Moritz who began in 1869. I can’t remember exactly which maker, but I think he was involved with or purchased one of the gunmaking firms in Suhl.)
On many of the German tubes one will run across the stamp of a Gothic “J”( J), especially on Sauer longarms and I think it to be for the Jäger klan with Johann Georg Jäger having a pipe/tube forge in the mid 1800s and George junior and Valtin begin master borers. Now if could have been the Jung gunmaking folk, but most of them were master gunmakers without an emphasis in pipe/tube making.
But of all the listings I haven’t determined what trade is defined by “Könglich Gewehr-Revisor” (rifle inspector???) and the following had the title:
Gottlieb Bäftlein
Franz Bräutigam
Gottfried Diz(?)el
Ernst Hopfe
Caspar August Gottetreu Klett
Capsar Köhler
Ferdinand Nothnagel
Caspar Schaller
Melchior Schlegelmilch
Johann Friedrich Schneppe
Stephan Triebel
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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