We may soon be having some discussion over the application of the words positive and negative to this issue. I thought negative pitch was when the gun put its butt on the floor, its front bead on the wall, and its breech stood away (in other words an included angle between bore or rib and butt of greater than 90 degrees BICBWBT. Probably should be left the way it is above as "positive" denotes some benefit and I think an included angle less than 90 by a few degrees is what most of us (laymen, fitters, charlatans) consider salutary to good mounting and shooting. I have no idea at all how "dowager hump" trapshooting postures work but it would appear full pocket contact might be achieved by a different whack to the back and then still not work very well to anchor the gun in one place (if the surface of the pocket and the butt are in sheer than I'd think movement of the butt downward would sure raise the POI) BWDIK.
jack
