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anybody know where i can find some 450 n.e. #2 brass at a somewhat decent price?possibly some dies also?

Try Huntingtons but I'll warn you, 450no2 is some of the most expensive out there.

What's the rifle?

yeah,i've been finding that out.the cheapest i have found is from reeds,$102.00 per 20.not too bad i spose.figured i might run into somebody that could hook me up with some used brass.......maybe.the gun is a custom build,should have it next weekend.pretty sharp i think,annd really couldn't beat the price.

The only brass I know of currently available for either of the No. 2s is Bertram - which means it's the most expensive and the poorest quality of all the flanged nitro brass available.

When you say "custom build", do you mean a double rifle converted from a shotgun? If so, that's the reason it's cheap. Such conversions aren't "custom" double rifles, they're converted shotguns. Not a good idea.

i don't believe it is a conversion.i don't know a whole lot about double rifles,but was told it was built on a monoblock not sleeved barrels,which i believe to be a good thing.i thought bertram made good annealed brass that was formed and not turned.any tips as to what to look for on this double would be appreciated.

btw it's a 450n.e. not a bp.

With respect to double rifles, those words usually mean a conversion. It's possible that it's a purpose built new rifle with mono-bloc barrels, but I doubt it. I'll just say that I don't know of anyone building a new rifle with mono-bloc barrels in that caliber. I'd be asking what kind of action it was built on. I seem to recall that Cabelas has had a .450 No. 2 for sale that was built on a Merkel 12 gauge action with sleeved barrels. Who built this one? What price? Mono-bloc and sleeved are essentially the same thing. There is a difference, but I don't view it as significant in this application.

Bertram is notorious. I've used it, or rather attempted to, in several DR calibers. Personally, I avoid DR calibers that would force me to rely on it. For .450 No. 2, I'd probably get in contact with Huntington's and see about getting an order brought in from Dieter Horneber in Germany. Horneber will make anything if he can get a large enough order, and it's good brass.



That should be true by definition. The .450 No. 2 was designed specifically for Cordite, and was never loaded with black.

Huntingtons list Horneber, which is good brass,

sauer action. go.......no go........?

Okay, "Sauer action" and "custom build" mean it's a DR conversion on a shotgun action. The quality of work on these runs the gamut. If you're not truly expert, I'd suggest that you not attempt to judge one on your own. In my experience, the best of these are worth about what they cost to build, and most are worth less.

I recommend that you take some time and educate yourself before you jump. There's a reason for the big difference in value between a "custom" built DR converted from a shotgun, and a double rifle built to be a double rifle from the start. It's also possible that such a piece would be adequate for what you want to do with it. Maybe not. This is one place where you get what you pay for.

To answer your question, I can only tell you what my view would be of it for my own use. I'd say "no". If well done, such conversions can be appropriate for BPEs. I wouldn't be comfortable with full nitro.