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#87451 - 03/11/08 09:23 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Terry Lubzinski]
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Nice effort Terry. Without a doubt, it is the "simple over-centre" Holland ejector/Southgate/Perkes, so I would say it is an early Perkes. To whom does that stamp on the bottom of the forend iron belong?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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Edited by ellenbr (03/11/08 09:27 PM)

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#87479 - 03/11/08 10:49 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: ellenbr]
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Raimey, I saw that stamp and wondered about the owner??? haven't seen that one before. Maybe it will ring a bell with someone. Will
try and get a closeup pic before I re-assemble. Tried the ejectors with a couple nickle plated snap-caps and it hurled them about 3 feet side by side.
Took the pic of the trademark/stamp and will attach. Boy, we just go from one mystery to another.
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#87483 - 03/11/08 11:12 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Terry Lubzinski]
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I flipped to the ejector section of Dig's book on page 98 and Donald Dallas of H&H says that Frederick Beesley had an 1889 ejector patent. Also, the Holland/Southgate ejector reference should be Perkes/Beesley. About how long would you say your cocking-dogs are? I think H&H's cocking-dogs are quite long and the screw location for it and the Southgate seems to be toward the middle of the frame. Anyone have a sketch of Beesley's 1889 ejector? Here's a neat link to some ejector info: http://www.jblanchdatabase.co.uk/technical.htm

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse


Edited by ellenbr (03/11/08 11:41 PM)

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#87567 - 03/12/08 03:01 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: ellenbr]
Terry Lubzinski Offline
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The plot thickens. I stripped the gun for cleaning and look what I found under the trigger plate. Do we know who R.Ellis is ???
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#87568 - 03/12/08 03:12 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Terry Lubzinski]
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Terry:

I believe I do. This is just like anything else I've attempted to research in that one word, one sentence turns into volumes of works.

Richard Ellis & Sons(Birmingham gunmaker) at 13 St Mary's Row in 1897-1898 and was also in London, but this doesn't correlate w/ the guns date, or does it?

Nice find and detective work. Your gun may very well be worthy of an article or the like.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse


Edited by ellenbr (03/12/08 03:14 PM)

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#87574 - 03/12/08 04:02 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: ellenbr]
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Hi I have one in 16ga.with about 60% original case color,with excellent barrels and wood. Original buttplate.Serial number 308.

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#87644 - 03/13/08 08:58 AM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Ithaca16]
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Terry, after all of the fine help above, it does look like the ejector system is an evolved Perke's patent. You have a very interesting gun.

As to the Richard Ellis marks, Ellis was the one who made those Winchester marked hammer guns, too. I have seen other guns with the Ellis mark on the barrels and sides that were the Anson and Deeley from Westley. Whether or not W R started the gun, or Ellis did, I am not sure, but with the WR mark on the barrels , it would seem to have been in the hands of W R . It is also thought that , at least the lower grade Westley Richards droplocks were products of others [Webley and Scott].
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