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#87327 - 03/11/08 09:45 AM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
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From Greener's 9th Ed., page 187, I can't say for sure that the Deeley ejector gun required the front screw and so it may very well have been Perkes which was "actuated by a lifting lever, pivoted near the hinge-pin, pressing upon the extractor leg as the gun opens." And from the pic, the screw could be the source of the pivot but I have seen the screw as a stabilizer for the kicker.

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#87332 - 03/11/08 10:22 AM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: ellenbr]
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Bret, does your gun have an Anson and Deeley use number on the receiver ?

Raimey, I have looked at Pat. 1968 of 1878 and cannot relate this Perkes patent to Terry's gun. The drawing is just not clear enough to me to understand what I am seeing. Page 180 of the second Crudgington and Baker volume has a lengthy explanation of the patent. Terry's gun does not seem to have the "pins" in the standing breech described in the Perkes patent, but I'm sure modifications could be made. I guess that's how the evolution to Southgate came about.



Edited by Daryl Hallquist (03/11/08 11:00 AM)
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#87349 - 03/11/08 12:17 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
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Daryl, yes mine has a use number of 3588 if my eyes are telling the truth. I had this gun figured for the mid 1880's a few years ago, but I forget what evidence I had.

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#87360 - 03/11/08 01:22 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Bret Adams]
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Bret, now I am more confused. Your gun's serial no is higher than Terry's 438 to 299, but your use number of the A&D patent is lower Yours is 3588 vs. Terry's 7560. ?????
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#87363 - 03/11/08 01:37 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
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I found a magnifying glass, and looked again. I am still not sure, but that 1st number could be an 8. That would make more sense, providing they were in the sequence, of the Pgh Arms numbers.

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#87365 - 03/11/08 01:42 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Bret Adams]
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Bret, Yes, that would make sense.
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#87367 - 03/11/08 01:50 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Bret Adams]
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Regarding these WR guns I have a E. Thomas Jr. Chicago 10 gauge, Extractor, two barrel set, one by WR and one by Thomas. No. 366 is on the tang, water table and barrels. The A&D No. is 7698. The Thomas barrels are unmarked.
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#87369 - 03/11/08 01:52 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Daryl Hallquist]
Terry Lubzinski Offline
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I have to admit that my knowledge of the various ejector systems is pretty fuzzy.If it is helpful I could take the forend wood off and take some pics or any other shots that would be useful?
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#87380 - 03/11/08 02:26 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: Terry Lubzinski]
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Terry:

Possbily if you could remove the inspection plate and snap a photo on the mechanics, we might arrive at a consensus.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
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#87450 - 03/11/08 09:17 PM Re: Pittsburgh Fire Arms Co. ??? [Re: ellenbr]
Terry Lubzinski Offline
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A few more pics of the ejector system etc.
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