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I also agree w/ James & Terry and think that it was proved/proofed 3 times in London w/ 1 being a reproof w/ the "Crown" over "R". There are the 1875-1887 touchmarks of 10B(bore-actually breech, forward of the chamber) & 12M(muzzle) & "Not for Ball" proved w/ #6 shot instead of ball. Then the 1887-1904 marks of "10 over C" in a rhombus or diamond and last the post 1904 which may include the "Crown" over "R" which was due to the lengthening of the chambers?
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Looks like it was stamped by a drunk.
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Leave it to you, Homeless, to make a profound statement. John Walter's Dictionary has George Bate being established in 1881 and peddling from the 132 Steelhouse Lane, Birmingham, Warwichshire, England and is purported to peddle scattergun ammo under the names Game, Imperial & Leader which may have been purchased from Eley-Kynoch or made from components from Eley-Kynoch.
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Nothing "prOfound" about it.
I have guns that were re-proofed....The Bates is a nice gun but the proof stamping looks like it was stamped by someone visually impaired...is that better ?
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Nothing "prOfound" about it.
I have guns that were re-proofed....The Bates is a nice gun but the proof stamping looks like it was stamped by someone visually impaired...is that better ? Who cares what the proof marks look like? I guess they should all be engraved???  BTW: Randy nice looking gun! 
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Thanks everyone for your imput. I'm a little shocked the gun is as old as 1887?? That's over 120 in dog years!!. H-jOe and other 10 bore shooters on this forum are probably the cause of my making this purchase. All the 10b responses on a turkey gun post showed that I was in the minority with the 12ga. Boy, this gun sits tall and wide against all my other sxs's. Ithacaman will get the damascus barrels here in a month or so, and I'll post again when he's finished doing his magic on them. Again, hats off to all the contributions made regarding Mr. Bate and his gun. Randy
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Like I said it's a nice gun....I'm betting it's a W&C Scott made gun from looking at the third bite.
In past posts I've saw remarks about proof marks being questionable.
Do the proof houses have records that can be accessed to find out if these old guns were really re-proofed in England ?
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Now that you bring this up j0e, did you ever show us the proofs on your sleever?
Was it done here, there or where?
Be so kind, and show a sport!
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I'd be glad to...
You go first Sport'...show us something you've killed with the priZed cOwboy'd Beesley...along with several full lenght body photos of her.
Back to the question I asked....
Do the Proof houses keep records of the guns that have been re-proofed in the last century ?
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Homeless:
I would venture a guess of yes as under the earlier rules of 1855, 1868, 1875, 1887, 1896, 1904, 1916, 1925, 1954 and 1986 are vaild, or govern, the barrel or action upon which the mark is found as long as it has not been weakened or altered. So, they would have to have the specifics of each gun to compare. Just a thought, but I would think in penning a letter of inquiry to either:
The Proof Master, The Proof House, 48 Commercial Road, London E1 1LP
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The Gun Barrel Proof House, Banbury Street, Birmingham B5 5RH
would yield an answer.
Kind Regards,
Raimey
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