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Hi all, been looking around here on the forum and have ran across Rocketmans Brand Value system and a tier system by others with regards to different makers/guns. So how would you rate the various better know english gunmakers according to these systems?

I totally understand that one has to judge each gun according to its merits, but how would you rate the makers according to thier reputations?

Thanks and all the best!!!

Greg

Rocketman's list is pretty spot on, altho' I'd move Westley Richards down a few notches. They've made far more rough guns than bests, and I'm not so sure their drop-lock guns are bests anyway.

Hi, was wondering if anyone could direct me to Rocketmans post on his BV list - can't seem to find any "listing" so to speak.

Thanks!!

Greg

Greg, PM me an email address if you run Excel and I'll send you "the list." Otherwise, PM me a land addy and I'll mail you a copy. "The List" is a fairly inclusive listing of Brit gunmaker's/retailer's names. The names are pigeonholed into three BV's that pretty much correspond to the BV influence on current USA retail prices. The list has a five factor analysis as to why the various names have arrived at their BV levels.

Hope some of you guys will state your views on names. I, personally, am interested in current ideas and beliefs.

Here are the ones worth knowing (London): Purdey, H&H, Boss, Atkin, Beesley, Churchill.
Birmingham: Powell and Westley Richards.
Screw the rest.
PS. The best English shotgun was Woodward Vertical Gun.
Vertical Gun=insanely expensive O/U shotgun

It makes me feel like vomiting and passing loose stools, but $900 G.E. Lewis BLNE keeper grade (one with Birmingham proof marks not one of the Belgian POS) is far superior to my Sterlingworth ejector.

Hi Rocketman, thanks for the offer. I don't have excell, but my address is:

Greg Westberg

Hi Rocketman, thanks for the offer. I don't have excell, but my address is:

Greg Westberg
PO Box 23
St Anthony, ND 58566

Sure would like to get a hold of it, trying to upgrade my knowledge of brit guns. You seem to have an excellent knowledge of them.

Thanks so very much!!! I sure appreciate it!

Greg

wow i would think W.C.Scott could be listed in london and birmingham as best makers.scott produced guns/parts for so many best makers you would think they would get more respect, not even a mention, should get an attaboy just for the pats.and improvements to guns.i have a scott side lock and it is a thing of beauty. mc

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Despite the fact that Scott's best work is as good as anyones', he failed to achieve the social acceptance (factor = 3) necessary for attracting a high % of commissions for best work (factor = 3). He did build a lot of guns (factor = 1), but the firm was not long lived as an independent (factor = 3). The firm did contribute the enduring creativity of the Scott spindle (factor = 1). His BV score, then, is 3 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 1 = 11, which is in BV3 and correlates with observed BV influence on USA retail pricing. BV3 = 2/3 price of BV2 and BV3 = 1/2 price of BV1 for same Original Quality plus same Current Condition. The good news is that Scott guns can be a bargain in terms of quality and condition for the price (buying the gun, not the name). Keep in mind that the market is not going to ignore the name; too many people consider it to be informational about the gun.