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Eley has been in business for a long time so I guess it's safe to assume they know their market. Their catalogs show more and more fiber wads every year because, I presume, land owners dislike plastic wads, even the photo degradable kind. Eley uses those too but mostly the fiber kind. All this makes me wonder about the fashion of lengthening forcing cones. If fiber wads are the future maybe we should wait and see before we break out the reamer?
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I think getting away from plastic--when we can--makes a lot of sense. It's a marvelous invention for things that need to have its special properties and also last a long time. For throwaways, I prefer paper and paperlike materials, although I know paper manufacture is not an environmental free ride, either. But isn't most plastic mainly made of oil? (NOT a rhetorical question...). And nobody really seems to know how long a plastic object is with us... Even the dangerous life of radioactive waste can at least be calculated!
(Paper cases smell better, too).
Just my retro thoughts.
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Given some development, I think a paper cushion wad/cup would be feesable. I would sure like to see a fully biodegradable hull for the masses. Hulls are a blight to high volume hunting areas.
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The fiber wad cups are already availabe to those not living in the states, some are approved for steel and Hevi as well.
Best,
Mark
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It is those pump and semi guys who leave their hulls behind. I have used a semi for hunting and had trouble finding the hulls. You kinda get excited and forget where you were.
So many guns, so little time!
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Gamebore do a very nice (although expensive) fibre wad that is very similar looking to a plaswad.Eley are trumpeting the 'improved' fobre wad in their cartridges.This is no more than reclaimed cardboard compressed paper in construction.
I have seen no test papers or reports about the performance of fibre wads in overbored barrels.I would have thought there may be obturation problems, but they seem to perform okay to me.
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I saw somewhere that they are making paper out of sheep crap in a factory in Scotland (I'm not kidding--what CAN'T they do with a sheep in the old country?) Got me thinking that a wad could maybe incorporate some fertilizer and maybe some seed like California poppy for out here...go really green; give something back! Chukar hunters could load with cheat grass! (In chukars' native lands, the people would probably prefer opium poppies, tho.).
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Paper cup wads for use under nitro powder wads have been around for decades. I remember shooting lots of Winchester ammo with them in 1960s and 1970s. I have old loading book for late 1800s that show their use. They literally function just like the plastic cup wad base of modern one-peice plastic wads. Their function is same, to seal bore against leakage of powder gases, regardless of variations in forcing cone and bore dimensions. Remember, folks have been reaming bores to remove pitts for a very long time. Paper over powder cup wads were a more universal solution than oversized nitro and cushion wads (except in thin brass hulls).
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