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#77659 01/14/08 10:12 PM
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Does anyone have an idea when # 4318 may have been made.My info is a little confusing.
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This site says 1935.
http://armscollectors.com/sn/winlookup.php
Schwing's chart (page 235) says the frame was made in 1930

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I just checked three serial numbers on that site of guns that I know the date of manufacture. The site was off by ten years or more on each of them. I suggest you call the folks at Cody if you want a definitive answer.

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Orry is right. It is almost impossible to date a 21 without a letter from the Cody Museum. And a lot of the paperwork is missing. But you might get lucky. #9411 was made in 1948 and #10407 was made in 1935. It may cost you to find out this info unless you are a member. But I would guess yours was made around 1935 or maybe before. Good luck......P.S. Do you own the gun?

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terc,

This won't be of much help to you with the variability of Winchester's serialization, but I've a M21 here lettered by the Cody Museum that left New Haven in 1936. Ser. No. 363X. As others have said, the Cody letter is the only sure answer.

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Can someone please explain why some of you want to know when your M21 left the factory. Who cares if it was 1937, 1947 or 1957? Let's say it was 1937 does that put you in an elite club of prewar M21 owners or something? Basically just an insignificant tidbit of information. Better to spend your research fee on shotgun shells and get some shooting practice with the M21.

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It's curiosity, my friend. Most people like to know where they came from, and the same applies often to things they own. We don't live by bread alone. With my American doubles, it's nice to know of the times they were made. I can then relate to the men who built and used those guns---how many days to make them, how they were valued in those years, populations of birds etc.

When I take a gun from the rack in early morning, my choice has a lot to do with my mood, my state of mind, and the sight of an 1899 Parker or 1925 Philly Fox or an Army and Navy sold to Mr. Shilling in 1914 for seven pounds seven shillings is intrinsically important to me before I'm out the door. Or if I'm bloody-minded I might just grab the seemingly consummate killer 1970 SKB.

The human spirit is not concerned with objects. The human spirit is concerned with the significance that relates one object to another. It renders a more satisfying life for me. That's the way I see things any way---and that may come from living too long in the woods. But knowing the history of my guns means a lot more than a box of shells to me. Regards, King

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A very fine explanation and one with which I can heartily agree.


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Well said, KB.

cb - interest in the history/provenince of an item does not automatically translate into elitism or some class distinction. There are a lot of "Basically just an insignificant tidbit of information" that I enjoy; I find it a much richer hobby through knowing such. You are welcome to your seeming view as guns as tools only, but there are many that don't share it.

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Thanks for the replies.I don't own the gun,but do have a chance to.I thought that by knowing the manufacture date one could tell if the configuration,checkering patterns,ect.. of the gun matched what was avalable in that time period.
Dave

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