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#73997 12/25/07 07:43 PM
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Have 1934 Savage Fox Sterlingworth.Great bores and wood.12 gauge 28 Inch.Some case on watertable and receiver end of forend iron.Receiver is bright,no rust and no case.Is it worth recasing? Thanks

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I would keep it as a shooter and not recase. Point of recase is to recolor. But unless you are going to put the gun back into factory fresh finish condition I think that recase/recolor is over kill. A refinished field gun will not turn many heads and the money invested will be more than you can get out of it when you sell it later. If it is a family heirloom it is another thing and we all have put money into a gun like that far beyond its worth to others.

Think about it this way. If you bought a 1975 Ford Pinto to get to work would you spend thousands to get it repainted? Or would you just use it and hope none of your old girl friends sees you driving it.

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I just made the same decision. 'Worth' wasn't in the equation, since I'm not preparing the gun to sell and I don't mind spending money on something I intend to use and enjoy.

My gun has decent but finish worn barrels and it needs the stock refinished. Gun is tight, and is a good shooter. My decision was to overhaul the barrel set, and refinish the wood myself. The frame will be left as is.

Color restoration carries some risk. I've seen pictures of these guns cracked through the sear axle. This one has been happily shooting for years before I bought it, and I'm not going to trouble it.


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Shothun jones --- the cracked frame usually occurs when frame isn't annealed before recoloring. FWIW, Ken



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We've seen more than one Fox here that has had a bit of trouble with cracking of the frame. I'd be tempted to just let it be, in hopes of avoiding that.
I've recased a gun, and while it was spectacular, it didn't shoot any better afterwards. Consider spending the money for some ammunition, some practice, a shooting lesson, or stock adjustments, to make it fit better.

Might help more in the long run.
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Originally Posted By: Retiredreb
Is it worth recasing? Thanks


Only you can decide.

Disassemble it and polish it yourself and you can get it recased by Classic Guns or Turnbull Restoration for <$250. Or give it as is to Giacomo Sporting and they'll disassemble, polish and reassemble for $355.

I doubt any of these establishments have caused a Fox frame to crack.


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Classic charges $175. for a polished and dis-assembled frame to be color cased. Takes about a week to a week and a half to get it done. I have never had a frame cracked by Classic. ken



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Believe me Turnbull will not do it for less than $250.

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I'm having one done now and the total for tear down, re-case and reassembly is $250.00.

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Originally Posted By: Ted Schefelbein
We've seen more than one Fox here that has had a bit of trouble with cracking of the frame. I'd be tempted to just let it be, in hopes of avoiding that.
I've recased a gun, and while it was spectacular, it didn't shoot any better afterwards. Consider spending the money for some ammunition, some practice, a shooting lesson, or stock adjustments, to make it fit better.

Might help more in the long run.


Ted,

You are correct, we have seen them. Here is one. Note, it has no case color left.


Here is another one. Again, no case coler left.


When ever it was possible, I contacted the owner / seller and inquired as to the cause. In each case the response included mention of "duck loads".

I have never seen a Fox that was recase hardened crack. Which does not mean it can't happen. I purchased an early 12ga Philadelphia Arms Fox. It was in rough shape when I purchased it. I had a gunsmith, that I trust, give it a good going over. He completely stripped the receiver. He found an internal hairline crack, which I had him weld. This same gun also had the barrels painted black. So I am guessing "duck loads". The Krupp barrels held.

I know you can shoot duck with a Fox. So I am not sure what was being force fed to these guns. I look at those pictures and it simply reconfirms for me that in older sxs guns, you have to adjust the ammunition for the pressures they were built to handle.

Classic Guns is not far from me. I have spent several Saturday's there chatting with John and his crew. The danger during any rehardening is warpage. No one can guarantee that some warping will not occur. However, by using some one who has a known reputation, you certainly minimize the risk. They should be asking a lot of questions about your gun and it's history.

If some one has a picture of a gun that been recase color hardened and then cracked when using the proper loads, please post a picture.

Here is picture of John with a receiever that he had just finished. The other is John with Lucky.


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