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Hi,
Just in case anyone is interested in the time involved, I phoned in a request for a C & R license application package on October 18th. The package came on October 22nd. I sent it in that same day. The license and package of rule books came today, December 18th. Two months total, from phone call to license in hand. Probably not too bad for a government operation. I wasn't in a great hurry anyway.
Merry Christmas to all,

Jim,

You are the second person, known to me, within the last 2 months, that has reported similar service lever. I hope that this is indicative of a continuing trend. My renewal times have been improving.

When Cliton was POTUS, my renewal took months!

Phil

Jim:

So, do tell: what are the specifics? i.e. do they search your shop every month, do you have to have a store front, can you have one with just a residental address, cost per year?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Jim,

C&R is a different catagory. There is no searching or probing. Licensees are required to keep records and abide by the rules. Licenses are not alowed to engage in the business of tradign firearms. They are allowed to collect and sell collections.

Phil

Phil:

So, why would you want to keep a record of your collection for the government, when you can do it at will under the Bill of Rights? One can buy and sell as long as they are upgrading their collection.

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

Raimey,
If you aren't aware, the C&R allows certain guns that qualify to be taken possession of directly and immediately by a C&R holder without the normal 4473 form submittal and associated waiting period. If you are conducting activities under the approval of your C&R you are required to keep a "bound book" as does any FFL holder to record transfers in and out. That's pretty much all there is. Never heard of anyone having any problem with ATF regarding a C&R.

The C&R FFL allows the licensee to send to and receive directly from other FFL holders those firearms that are classified as C&R. No having to have the gun shipped to another 01FFL for transfer to you. It avoids transfer costs and delays. Plus many businesses in the trade offer discounts to C&R holders as well as 01FFL holders. The records are open to inspection to LE at any time. The 4473's and bound book records that any gunshop makes out and keeps when you pay them to transfer a gun to you are also open to the same inspection. A private party transfer should include ID and a receipt to protect you in the event that the firearm does show itself to be stolen. It's not a good position to be in with a stolen firearm and your answer of where you got is " a guy at a show". Even a personal record of your guns for insurance purposes is a still a written record. No, you don't need one, it's just a convenience to have one. My 01 hasn't drawn any black helos yet:>)

One other note to the C&R is that when you decide to stop and not renew it unlike the 01FFl,the O3 FFL (C&R) holder is not required to turn that book in.So if you follow the law and do not get an inspection your records may never be seen by anyone in the goverment.If you go through a 01 FFL for transfers and fill out a 4473 then do the insta NICS check there is a record.
Of course if we have a "madam president" this all could and most probably would change and we all be looking at golf as a hobby instead of gun collecting.
Thats goood news Jim,like to hear when it goes fast.Took them 90 days to renew mine,they where very nice and gave me an extension but I was getting concerned.

Guys:

Thanks ya'll for taking the time to info me. I just thought that when the gunshop/FFL holder, or holders, went out of business and his storage space where all mine, as well as others, experienced a mysterious fire or flood, that all would be well and none would be the wiser. I have heard a couple stories about the "gunshow deals" that turned out to be stolen. It helps to have a good working relationship with the County Sheriff. By the way, what is the cost per year for the C&R?

Kind Regards,

Raimey
rse

$30 for three years.