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LG, B-dog speaking up for his benefactor is a friendship in the making. Let it stand.

jack

Larry,

Do you still want to teach me anymore lessons? How many members have you done this to? I see you know how to use google. Try googling Darne books...you know, the ones that are never coming.

I told you I am not a fan of LB; I regard him as old spook (which I imagine he takes as a complement), bored-in-retirement, with a rather strange political outlook and an affinity to plausible denial. However, were I to meet him I would be quite happy to pass an evening with him; I would stay away from topics like CIA, US foreign policy, etc., and discuss guns and shooting, because he clearly knows his stuff and having read many of his posts outside this topic I guess he is enjoyable company.
Nobody is teaching manners. You, however, have "crossed the line" on more than one occasion (too many times in the view of many) and most, including myself, have politely suggested that you stop the whining, hectoring and little-girl name calling. Your arguments do not stack, you are unwilling to admit a mistake. Your rants have demeaned your position and whatever you post as an "expert" is - in my view- highly suspect due to your ill-mannered and ignorant behavious. I now regard your net contribution to this BB as not worthwhile.

Let's review here . . . in my case, for the final time:

We've been told that all guns made on Darne patents should be referred to as Darnes. Interestingly enough, if one goes back to the Caunier catalog information on the "Regina", the word "Darne" is never mentioned. Not "this gun is as good as a Darne!", nor even "this gun is made on the famous Darne system". So it appears that not even the French themselves refer to all Darne patent guns as Darnes. To me, it would seem wise to follow their lead in that area. In fact, what Caunier touts most on that page--in bold letters, no less--is that two models of the Regina are available at greatly reduced prices. Not the gun's action or design, but its price. Interesting contrast to the Charlin on the next page, in that regard.

The way we discuss the action of the "sliders" is, again, quite different from the French. We talk about what happens to the breech; they refer to what happens (or doesn't happen) to the barrels. ("Canons fixes" versus "canons basculants"--the latter phrase translated by Darne themselves as guns with "tipping barrels". Has a funny sound to it, but it certainly conveys the way a "conventional" double works.)

So . . . we're still left with the suggestion that Charlin made Darne-patent guns. I suggest that we await the well-established standard of proof before accepting that as fact. And that is, of course . . . someone actually showing us such a gun, or solid documentary evidence that such guns were indeed produced by Charlin. Until then, a Darne patent gun not made by Darne remains somewhat of a mystery. It would seem the phrase "Darne clone" is quite appropriate, carrying with it no comment--either positive or negative--on the quality of the gun itself ("buy the gun, not the name!"), but rather on the design of the gun and the fact that it was not made by the company founded by Regis Darne.

Robert, if I were interested in books on Darne, I would procure them--just as I would all the books on Parkers if I wished to delve into Parker history in that much detail, which I don't. But possessing the Darne books would seem to be of little value to someone incapable of reading them.

M. Gournet, that "Abeille" link might lead Beagle somewhere interesting, but I can't get it to work.

Kerryman, I do indeed take "old spook" as a complement. And I'm enjoying retirement because it gives me more time to hunt and shoot--although currently, an excess of snow and ice has rendered our local pheasant population far more accessible to viewing out in the middle of barren fields rather than to a hunter pursuing them with bird dog and doublegun. Sad to say, but this season may end with a whimper as opposed to a bang.

This thread has everything. Not only do we have the Three Stooges at the top of their game we have Abbott and Costello's famous "Who's on First Routine". It doesn't get any better than this.

Hello.
To Robert, you wrote to me:
"Darnation,
Thank you for answering directly, it wasn't the answer ..."
Thank you to speak to me directly. I do not get it all the time when it is done directly and when it is done with subtility as a lot in the thread I miss or misunderstand it.
Good thread never die.

To Beagledogxxx
If you sale you Abeille, do not forget to add this topic with it. It will bring more value.

Make sure you use only very low pressure shells in that thing. The locking bites remind me of clasp closure on old shed door in sleepy Belorussian village.

Rick nails it. Give the man a dollah!

He might even consider a top lever....allot less fUss.