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I still believe the "names incorporated in the welding" is a top layer or coating of some kind ?

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Originally Posted By: revdocdrew
Very good Pete-do you have an approximate year of production of that Greener? I'm thinking that pattern is what Greener called "Laminated Damascus"


Drew,

It says on the rib, "Laminated Steel". I can't make out the address, or the by "X". I was hoping some one with better eyes...

As to date, I included the serial number, 7975, hoping some one could date it properly.

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OH MY GOODNESS- the English Damascus Identification Rosetta Stone is found!! CC put my onto this.
Lot #94 in the current Gavin Gardiner auction catalog- 11 damascus segments identifying type and quality http://www.gavingardiner.com/BidCat/detail.asp?SaleRef=0003&LotRef=94
Lot #84 is a Stub Twist Demonstration section
http://www.gavingardiner.com/BidCat/detail.asp?SaleRef=0003&LotRef=84

Right now 1 British pound = 2.0682 U.S. dollars, and the estimated low prices are 300 and 400 pounds Sterling

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Huge bummer I heard back from Gavin Gardiner, and the brl segments are just that, no indication of the pattern name. The search for the Damascus Rosetta stone continues.
Something like this is out there somewhere
http://www.littlegun.be:80/arme%20belge/...0damas%20gb.htm

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revdocdrew...When I read your email this am.I had no Idea what you were talking about..Rosetta Stone! Being English,I thought maybe it was some form of maybe, a Greek grape that had a lucky 'Pip" inside it! I scanned Gavins Auction Catalog for 'More on the Rosetta Stone!!!That lot#94 would make a really Great conversation piece!!!The listings of all the Accessories...are really unbelievable, treasures to 'us who like that 'stuff'! And of course the Guns & Rifles are a collection that will not be seen for 'Many Moons'anywhere...Would like to be in Hammersmith Dec. 11th..cc/dt

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PeteM,
When Oscar was alive and often used to post examples of his work here, I had a pretty good quality colour printer. The quality of his work was so outstanding that I got into the habit of printing off everything that he posted here. I was also playing around with refinishing some scrap barrels as a learning experience. I corresponded directly with Oscar about the process on several occasions. He was good enough to e-mail some colour photos of his work to me which may or may not have been published elsewhere, I really don't know. This was before I retired and as I had a commercial-duty laminator in my office at the time, I laminated all of that stuff, as well as scanning, printing, and laminating his series in DGJ. I have all of that stuff set up in a 3-ring binder. I don't think that the lamination would interfere with re-scanning what I have but the process would be lengthy, the file huge, and when completed, I have absolutely no idea how to post it here.

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Ron: thanks to Dave Miles, I have some of Oscar's stuff on the Damascus Barrels album http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=16082038
My primary interest is in identifying the named damascus patterns, and the Belgian makers who produced the barrels used by US gunmakers.
Did Oscar have a file of London, Birmingham, Boston, Chine, Oxford, etc.? I'm especially interested in examples of 'Leclerc', 'Parisien', and named English damascus patterns. Thank you.

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Ron,

I find them crawling on the leaves. Drew dissects them, names them and put 'em on the shelf. (Hmm, sounds like he does all the work.)

Any insights you can offer from Oscar's research or your own are most welcome. Because of his great effort, I think we have made some progress.

My Rosetta stone is different than Drew's. I keep looking for the 1st documented maker who was assembling billets to control the final product. I think it is 6 to 5 that it occurred in Liege or St Etienne, but have no hard data at this time.

There is still more to come about the Islamic and Hindu origins...

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I should add the following information. We know that in 1771 Jean Jacques Perret published "L'Art du Coutelier". In it he describes the process of twisting ribbons. Many of the tools shown resemble what is later seen in the damascus barrel shops. There is a partial English translation at:
http://damascus.free.fr/f_damas/f_hist/perret.htm

There is no indication that he was able to control the look of the final product.

Also, Verhoeven and Pendray have recreated the process of recreating damascus blades. This is very similar to the work of Manfred Sasche. Here is an article that they published some years ago. Interesting microscopic picture is included in the article.
http://www.mse.iastate.edu/fileadmin/www.mse.iastate.edu/static/files/verhoeven/muse.pdf

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I keep hearing about the magic of horsenails. Ask why they were used and all sorts of replies come back. Perhaps this tells a bit of the story.



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