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Thanks for the information, I found a 32" barrelled field grade 20 guage Smith, and it was the first 20 ga. I had seen with long barrels. The seller said it was a "squirrel gun". I understand the trap with the long barrels, but not the field grade---may have been a light duck gun.
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A local friend has a 34" 20 Ga LC Ideal grade.
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That 34" has to be a very rare gun.
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Chuck does your barrel bottom have this type of re-inforcement. This is from a Field Grade Longrange Wildfowl gun 3" chambered, 32" barrels. The Trap Grade was introduced in 1913 until 1939. It has on the side plates, men lined up at the traps and a sportsman in the field on the other. On the right barrel will be L.C. Smith Trap Grade. In 1920 they came out with a double barrel trap gun in Specialty, Eagle, Crown and Monogram. It came with a Beavertail Fore end, Hunter One-Trigger and ejectors. The only way to tell this gun apart from the others is that they usually stamped a "T" on the water tables but not in all cases. The only real way to tell is to check the stock measurements as they would be different than other guns, drop at comb, straighter stock, etc. Nitro proffing started in the 20's. on Smith guns Pete, tell your friend to get a letter from Cody, indeed that would be a rare gun, especially in a 20 ga.
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JDW, Yes, it's a similar fillet reinforcement.
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Often times people mis understand the meaning Trap gun as it pertains to L.C. Smith guns. THey made a Trap Grade gun from 1913-1939. This gun is not necessarily a "trap" gun, it just refers to it's grade and it has the single man on the right side plate shooting at a flying bird, while the left plate has a group of men shooting a clay bird thrown from a Trap house.
On the water table the "T" will be there to indicate the grade of "Trap". As referenced earlier, in late 1919 and 1920, Hunter Arms offered a Double barrel Trap Package, which could be ordered on Speciality Grades up to Monogram Grades. So any of these Grade guns could have the "trap package", which mean a special beavertail forend and the Hunter selective one trigger. I personally believe that lower grades could have been special ordered with this package as well as it's a known fact if you could pay for it, Hunter Arms would make you anything you wanted.
This Trap package was dropped in 1925 as a special package. From that time on, the options that were once offered in the special trap package deal were now standard equipment on such guns.
As mentioned before in some of my posts I am currently doing a very in-depth study on the 1919-1925 Double Barrel Trap package guns offered by Hunter Arms. I hope to be able to prove with exact info provided by Cody on how many guns were ordered with the Double barrel trap package option in that time. I hope with this research we can finally be able to prove or disprove some theories floating around about these guns. I should have this data soon and I will share my findings as well as a future article on the subject.
I will again ask that if any one has a L.C. Smith made from 1919 through 1925 that has a longer than normal Beavertail forend to contact me as I may have some specific data on your gun. I would also like to exchange info on the gun's configuration to add to my research database on the subject.
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Chuckster: is that a 'Crown over D' on the left brl just forward of the flat?! That is the mark of Jean-Baptiste Delcour-Dupont/Canons Delcour S.A. (barrel production) of Nessonvaux, and I've only seen it on Field grade guns. Can you post an ultra close-up of the mark for the 'LC Smith Barrel Marks' album? Thanks!
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RDD, It sure looks like a crown over a D.
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