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I am new here--Got 3/4 oz Barnes sabot up
to 3900 fps in my 12GA From Hell. Ed

Hubel458, this is a 'CIP board'(ie. Pmax < or = 65MPa for 12/70 gun), so what's the avg. gas pressure of this "hottie"? Can you elaborate on recoil force and accuracy of this load? Thanks.

Ed:
Better post a couple of URLs for background reading!
Cheers

Yep, Accuratereloading forums under 'Big Bores' pg 1.
I was looking at an Anglo "ball & shot" 12br and that 300yrd folded leaf......and those 750gr "mushroom-shaped" projectiles. Some of those yardages in that folded rack are just for show, right? I shot some darn good groups from 300m with express sighs, but that was using ZKK 602 300WinMag with Winchester 'Supreme' 190gr Silvertip BTs.

Jagermeister--Peak pressure is 35,000 psi.
Recoil is 125 ft lbs with sabot as gun weighs 25 lbs. Haven't shot for groups yet bad weather
here.We also got hardened Dixie Terminator
730 gr slugs out at 2700 fps.Here is pic of our case next to regular 12ga plastic case, which by the way can also be fired in our chambers.Ed.

I helped a friend work out using Sabots in a 12 SxS with rifled screw in chokes. It became quite obvious early-on the gun would not print in the same area, let alone spot, with each barrel, I think I'd have been quite shocked if it had. We tested each barrel to individually with several manufacturers sabots and settled on the Remington Copper Solids in 2 3/4" which are my personal favorites. Set up one barrel with a choke tube for 00 buck and the other for the sabot.

Paul harvested a deer on the opener and I 2 days later (see photo) with my fully rifled Hastings barrel atop my Browning Twelvette which is scoped with a Leupold Vari X III 1.5x5 using the Remington Copper Solid Sabot, have had consistent good sub 3" (many under 2") 5 shot groups out to 100 yards and took this doe at 65 yard with one shot. The shot is a shade high in the photo as she flinched but the angle was such it took out both lungs and was an easy track.

'The proof of the pudding is in the eating!'
(Is this a universal saying, or am I showing my colonial roots!)

Well done OW, sub-2inch groups at 100 yds is outstanding accuracy for a 12-bore. Sure would be nice to regulate both barrels of your friend's double though.

I am new to this board, but have been on several others.AR and NitroExpress.com, and was doing a search on slug guns when I found this board and this thread. I too have been giving a lot of thought to doing some mods to a double shotgun as some of you here have, installing good sights and setting it up for slugs. How one would do the regulating, asuming the likely prospect that the gun will not be regulated for slugs to begin with, has been the sticking point. It seems to me from my looking around that there are a lot of shooters who want this type of gun, and very few who have actually regulated one. I am interested in others experiences and ideas, and would love to experiment with this idea. The most intriguing thing I have found was a post on NitroExpress.com that some of you may have seen in which someone described a Stevens(I think) that he acquired which, to be brief, had been regulated by removing material from the insides of the muzzles to move the points of impact of each barrel and apparently achieved a pretty decent grouping. Has anyone here heard of this? I am puzzled as to exactly how this would work, but some have indicated that it seems possible. I would be interested in hearing any thoughts on this idea.

Check the taper of your barrels-most have a taper that will allow shot to intersect at a given range, so keep your slug shots at that range for reliable hits. If you need really long range, check your local regulations on what you are hunting, as well as if your gun is proofed for steel, then have someone load you some flechettes (steel darts, Vietnam era sniper suprises) with some dehydrated habenero pepper seeds in the hull with the darts. These will kill light skinned game (humans down) up to 300 yards away, and because they are built off of speed and not weight, you can let fly with both barrels at the same time if you have too. The pepper seeds (they flake and attach their meaness to the darts) allow you to track the wounded animal if it comes down to it, since there is little blood.

I was ready to do the same thing to a 12 ga, but found out that double guns have thinner barrels than singles and can't accept rifled tubes.