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#6656 - 12/11/04 06:30 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
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Tim and anyone else with a paradox. How well does a paradox actually shoot? I see them with sights graduated out to 300 yards. Is 200 realistic?
Thanks

Tom
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#6657 - 12/12/04 01:37 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tim Carney Offline
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Tom,

I've yet to get my barrels properly regulated to group together at 100 yards so my experience is inconclusive.

The literature, including Graeme Wright's Shooting the British Double Rifle 2nd Edition, says they are equal to an express rifle up to 100 yards. The magnum and supermagnum versions are said to be much better over longer distance and the smaller gauge versions, 16 and, especially 20 with the latter's 420 gr. projectile are also said to shoot well. A book is forthcoming and another DGJ article by a separate fundi who is working up his 20 gauge Westley Richards Fauneta will appear shortly.

Best of the Season and in the New Year, Tim

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#6658 - 12/14/04 08:43 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
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Mr. Carney,

Here are the measuements on my H & H paradox.
Bore 0 behind chokes .740
Minor 0 at muzzle .702
Groove 0 at muzzle approximately .715

Do you think I can obtain loaded slugs for this gun from Dixie Slugs or some of the new paradox ammo from H & H?

Regards,

Max

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#6659 - 12/14/04 07:52 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
JAZ Offline
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Max,

As Tim mentioned, be very careful with the hardness of Dixie slugs. First off, these are 3" slugs and unless your gun is a rare magnum type, I am sure it is a 2.5" Holland specifies 16 to 1. Dixie is talking about"bullet alloy" whatever that is , and heat treated which is extremely hard in most cases. If you bulge your gun at the muzzle, it is over! I would shoot something less than a .735 myself. Bullet velocity is generally about 1500 - 1100 with slightly higher for nitro.
Accuracy, my best, is about 1.5" groups at 50 yards. Many factors influence what acuuracy you get and unfortnatley it is a trial and error deal. Loading these is very straight forward. Note that the wadding will play a critical role in addition to bullet size.
I have two guns, a 12 and 10 made within a year or two of yours. I would seriously rethink shooting a bullet as hard as described. Remember your not tlaking about an 870, put a fine vintage gun.
JAZ

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#6660 - 12/14/04 07:54 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
JAZ Offline
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Max,

My mistake, velocity 1050 , not 1500.

JAZ

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#6661 - 12/14/04 07:55 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
JAZ Offline
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Max,

My mistake, velocity 1050 , not 1500.

JAZ

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#6662 - 12/17/04 05:52 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tom Hall Offline
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I've been following the Fauneta saga for about as long as it's been in print lately. Saw the latest installment in DGJ and just thought that he better either have a CNC lathe or a lot of free time.
After the interesting time I had getting my 20 to shoot reasonably well and then have that time and effort proven useless after 50 yards, I can understand why he did it.
Time to get access to a CNC machine.

Tom
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#6663 - 12/31/04 03:02 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
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Loc: Florida, USA
Dear Max,
The Dixie Slugs Terminator Series are excellent loads, but NOT for old Paradox Guns. They're designed to be used in MODERN GUNS.

You would probably be much better off to order a projectile mold or complete tool set from H&H to load your own or ask Dixie Slugs to load the correct H&H slug for you...
One of the guys on this forum shared a diagram with me a while back. You might be able to get a mold cut for this paradox bullet...



There's an excellent article on loading Paradox slugs for the H&H in Handloader Magazine #227, FEB, 2004.

According to Ross Seyfried, he finally got his 12bore Paradox to shoot well after he sized his slugs so they would slide down the barrels by their own weight to the rifling...

GOOD LUCK & HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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#6664 - 01/07/05 03:23 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tim Carney Offline
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In London 7 Jan after a month in Sudan on final photo shoot for the Book Project 9 (we were in Kenya for signing of the permanent ceasefire in the 50 year civil war between the north and south).

Called Patrick Murphy at Gunroom H&H. The paradox is in the shipment for the SCI do. some 1000 rounds of ammo are due at H&H for chronographing and pressure testing. Barrels are in the white because they will need regulating...

Best to all in new Year, Tim

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#6665 - 01/10/05 12:20 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
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Tim, I was hoping that Holland and Holland would be at the SHOT show. I emailed Russell Wilkin, but he will be at the SCI Show and not Shot. It will be just the other way around for me.

Best,
David

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