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#6646 - 12/03/04 12:42 AM H&H New Paradox
Tim Carney Offline
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Registered: 01/01/02
Posts: 946
Loc: Washington, DC
All,

Stopped by H&H in London 2 December while in transit to Kuwait and Khartoum. Had a chat with Russel Wilkin, the well-known technical director and Patrick Murphy, an old friend who runs the gunroom.

H&H will have a prototype new CNC round action 12 bore at the SCI show with barrels in the white. They will take delivery shortly of a quantity of newly-made Paradox rounds (.735 fosbery heads). Lots of work still to be sure barrels regulate, but my impression is that light at the end of this tunnel is glimmering.

The gun will be far cheaper than a Royal but not for the faint of wallet...

Regards, Tim

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#6647 - 12/04/04 01:31 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
pwm Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 207
Loc: germany
what is with ammo, please dont say they load in a plastic case.

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#6648 - 12/04/04 03:21 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tim Carney Offline
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Registered: 01/01/02
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Loc: Washington, DC
pwm,

Regret that I cannot recall clearly. I'll ask when I can...

Regards, Tim

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#6649 - 12/04/04 11:55 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
pwm Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 207
Loc: germany
I fear the end of the world is coming when they load in plastic cases. what have we allways seen in the last years:plastic on handguns, plastic on boltguns, plastic on double rifles

is nothing there can stop this

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#6650 - 12/05/04 09:32 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
JAZ Offline
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Registered: 02/28/04
Posts: 97
Loc: NJ
Gents,

Brace yourself for the end! I saw plastic!!

This week I used my 12 H&H Paradox to gather two pheasnat and a beautiful buck. If you want to see pics, let me know.

John

John

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#6651 - 12/05/04 09:33 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
JAZ Offline
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Registered: 02/28/04
Posts: 97
Loc: NJ
Gents,

Brace yourself for the end! I saw plastic!!

This week I used my 12 H&H Paradox to gather two pheasnat and a beautiful buck. If you want to see pics, let me know.

John

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#6652 - 12/08/04 08:36 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
Dixie Slugs Offline
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Registered: 11/20/04
Posts: 21
Loc: Old Town, Florida 32680
Dixie Slugs (dixieslugs.com) has had a copy of the Paradox slug on the market (loaded & slugs) for some time. The Terminator slug has a crimp grove for those that wish to load in brass cases. The Xterminator slug is a modern copy of the Paradox slug. Both run .732".
Dixie Slugs has 12 ga. 3" rounds loaded at the following:
Terminator@1200'/" (the smokeless Paradox velocity)
Express@1300'/"
Xterminator@1400'/"
These slugs are hand cast from bullet alloy and heat treated.
All of these loads have been tested for pressure/velocity by Ballistic Research
So far this season 8 large deer have been killed with Terminator. More info at Dixie Slugs.....James
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Dixie Slugs - Home of the Original Terminator

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#6653 - 12/09/04 06:25 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tom Hall Offline
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Registered: 05/24/03
Posts: 339
Loc: Southeast, NY
JAZ,
Hmm, hat trick.
Would be great to see those pix.

Tom
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Carbonation without fermentation is tyranny

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#6654 - 12/09/04 12:24 PM Re: H&H New Paradox
max Offline
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Registered: 01/14/02
Posts: 293
Loc: tennessee
Dixie Slugs,

I own a H & H paradox, vintage 1910. I have only used it for shotshells, however, I would like to put some rifle rounds through it. I have no interest in loading for it myself. The bore is .740. Would any of your loaded slugs work with this gun.

Regards,

Max

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#6655 - 12/11/04 04:21 AM Re: H&H New Paradox
Tim Carney Offline
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Registered: 01/01/02
Posts: 946
Loc: Washington, DC
Max,

Issue is not bore size, but rather the size of the chokerifling itself. My bore size is close to .740, but the groove diameter of my chokerifling is .733 so I use a .735 very soft lead fosbery head.

The Dixie slug sounds as if it is relatively hard so you risk a ring bulge by trying to force it into a tight choke rifle. But, if the head is only .732 it may not risk a ring bulge, depending on your rifling diameter, it may just fail to take the rifling at all, risking accuracy.

Be good if anyone who has used these slugs in an old Paradox can give us a report based on facts rather than just speculation such as I've produced above.
Best of the Season and in the New Year, Tim

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