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Originally Posted by LRF
Wow John thanks, that is strange. Looking at the pics I see some major differences and actually considerably harder to make then the one Tom Burgess made. (the added difficulty would be in the area of cutting the hinge shape for the blade to rotate on. Perfect work for a wire cutter or a shape end mill) It may use the over the center pin concept which would not surprise me as being harder to operate. However, being stiff has it's advantages over the issue Fred was concerned about. Wish you could have gotten a pic from the top but I certainly do appreciate the 2 you posted. By chance you didn't get the name or info of the rifles current owner?

I guess I should have taken a picture of the right side. The right side of the hinge pin on the one at the show had a large diameter head, just like the right side of the one you originally posted. It also did not rotate with the blade but stayed stationary relative to the base. I wonder if the small end of the pin might not just be a press fit in the left side of the base. The owner was not there either time I stopped by, but his friend behind the table did say that the metal work on this rifle was by Burgess. The rifle looked to have been more recently stocked and reblued. I am sorry but I did not get the name of the owner.

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Wow John thanks, that is strange. Looking at the pics I see some major differences and actually considerably harder to make then the one Tom Burgess made. (the added difficulty would be in the area of cutting the hinge shape for the blade to rotate on. Perfect work for a wire cutter or a shape end mill) It may use the over the center pin concept which would not surprise me as being harder to operate. However, being stiff has it's advantages over the issue Fred was concerned about. Wish you could have gotten a pic from the top but I certainly do appreciate the 2 you posted. By chance you didn't get the name or info of the rifles current owner?

I guess I should have taken a picture of the right side. The right side of the hinge pin on the one at the show had a large diameter head, just like the right side of the one you originally posted. It also did not rotate with the blade but stayed stationary relative to the base. I wonder if the small end of the pin might not just be a press fit in the left side of the base. The owner was not there either time I stopped by, but his friend behind the table did say that the metal work on this rifle was by Burgess. The rifle looked to have been more recently stocked and reblued. I am sorry but I did not get the name of the owner.

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John that adds more info thanks. Need to think about it.

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Originally Posted by gasgunner
So I was strolling down the isle at the Tulsa show over the weekend and noticed a couple custom rifles on a table so stopped for a closer look. Was surprised to see this front sight on one of them. Don't think I have ever seen one before, and I find one a week after someone posts about it on the forum. What are the odds. Anyway, here are a few pics. Not sure how much help they will be. I will say the front sight blade is very hard to raise or lower. Not sure if it is by design or due to dried oil in the slot, but it was a two thumb job to press the tab hard enough to elevate the sight. Lowering was easier due having better mechanical advantage on the blade. It was certainly not what I would call snappy.

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John, When you say it was "very hard to raise", was that all the way from start to completely erect or was it hard to start and then at some point there was a more or less snap to the erect position? This may help understand what kind of detent or spring holds the blade in position.

I think Tom used a stepped pin and it was most likely a press fit of some kind. That design has 2 issues IMO, first as I mentioned above the machining of the base requires a special ground cutter or use of a wire EDM. The cutter is fine if you intend to make multiple copies, in my case it would be just one copy if at all. Second, disassemble of a press fit pin has its own set of issues and wear would soon cause fit issues. (but of course it may never need to be disassembled) I think my design has some improvements in this area. BTW, my design takes full advantage the Tom's hard ground breaking design work and I fully acknowledge I am using that prior work, however that in itself is the nature of engineering. After all, Mr. Boeing (if there is or was one, with his 747 did indirectly steal Orville and Wilbur's ground breaking engineering/design work. smile )

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So I was strolling down the isle at the Tulsa show over the weekend and noticed a couple custom rifles on a table so stopped for a closer look. Was surprised to see this front sight on one of them. Don't think I have ever seen one before, and I find one a week after someone posts about it on the forum. What are the odds. Anyway, here are a few pics. Not sure how much help they will be. I will say the front sight blade is very hard to raise or lower. Not sure if it is by design or due to dried oil in the slot, but it was a two thumb job to press the tab hard enough to elevate the sight. Lowering was easier due having better mechanical advantage on the blade. It was certainly not what I would call snappy.

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John, When you say it was "very hard to raise", was that all the way from start to completely erect or was it hard to start and then at some point there was a more or less snap to the erect position? This may help understand what kind of detent or spring holds the blade in position.

I didn't want to fool with it to much as the owner was not present. As mentioned it took both thumbs on the tab to get it to move, however once it started moving it went all the way up, but certainly not in a snappy motion. It got somewhat easier once it started moving, but certainly did not snap into a detent. Felt more like closely fitted parts that had some dried oil or grease in them. Lowering it was considerably easier due to the added mechanical advantage.

If the rifle is still there come next fall I'll get a closer look. It is amazing how many guns are on the same table show after show. Sometimes for years. But that's another topic.

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Great information thanks. If the gun is still there I am curious what the rest of it was like. Do you think Tom did more of the metal work? It's ok if you don't reply (I ask too many questions) I know you are busy and I do appreciate your input so far.

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Originally Posted by Ken Nelson
One question:
Is the sight base and barrel band one assembly??
Very interesting question and I think they are a sight and a base ring soldered together. Is that what you see Ken?
Looking very closely at John's picture there is a separation line right where the sight base sits on the ring. Full length of the sight base, both pictures.
Or I am crazy. (I know I am but that's a different story LOL )

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Originally Posted by LRF
Great information thanks. If the gun is still there I am curious what the rest of it was like. Do you think Tom did more of the metal work? It's ok if you don't reply (I ask too many questions) I know you are busy and I do appreciate your input so far.

It was on a military Mauser if I recall correctly. Custom scope bases. Caliber 270. Stock was a well done modern classic style. The guy behind the table who was not the owner did say that it had been restocked. Sorry, but that is about all I got.

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Originally Posted by LRF
Originally Posted by Ken Nelson
One question:
Is the sight base and barrel band one assembly??
Very interesting question and I think they are a sight and a base ring soldered together. Is that what you see Ken?
Looking very closely at John's picture there is a separation line right where the sight base sits on the ring. Full length of the sight base, both pictures.
Or I am crazy. (I know I am but that's a different story LOL )


Lynn,

It would be an even more impressive design if it were a one piece band and base assembly. I suspect it’s a soldered assembly as you’ve noted which is good enough for me!!😀

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I look forward to updates, I loved all of your previous design threads.

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