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Looks like “Solidgrip”.

Hey, exactly what you want in a closure and locking system, no?

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
A translation of Fab’s post:

Hello,

Auguste Blondeau, a weapons manufacturer in Saint-Etienne, filed several patents in the 1920s for a "HELICE" type one-piece closure.

On the right barrel of this shotgun we distinguish the initials J*B indicating the barrel maker Jean Breuil.

The pictograms found on the barrel flats are codes to designate the quality of the barrels used by the manufacturer.

The Manu used these codes to designate the quality of its "HERCULE" steel barrels.



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Un grand merci pour votre patience et vos précieuses contributions sur ce site.

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Ted
C'est toujours un plaisir.
Je rajoute que dans les années 30, il semblerait que Blondeau fabriquait ses propres canons.

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Originally Posted by Argo44
Here is one of the Crowned "AB" marks from our guns and the one crowned "BA" from a Breuil-Aulagnier. There could be a connection but doubtful given no "BA" on the key:

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Salut Argo
Sur le lien de Naturabuy que je viens de poster, on retrouve ce même poinçon AB couronné sur le canon.

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Marci Fab, Je savais qu'il fallait attendre que tu clarifies les choses.

To sum up about Chris' inherited gun:

It is a French 12 gauge made in Saint-Étienne by Auguste Blondeau probably in the 1930's. It is double proofed at the proof house of Saint-Étienne. It has three crossed fronds on the barrel flats which are an indication of barrel quality. These barrels were probably made by Blondeau himself and this particular mark is likely a Blondeau quality mark copying but slightly different from similar barrel quality marks used by Jean Breuil. The barrel was honed by C.S (unknown). It has a Verney-Caron type top key/lock, 65 mm chambers (2 1/2"), probably the standard French 27.5" barrels. It may be a model classified as "England."

Another gun enthusiast on Passionlachasse also commented on "AB" being Auguste Blondeau and posted these two pictures. (Note "quadruple verrou" - quadruple lock - which looks to be a version of Verney Caron...patented by Blondeau as "Solidgripp" as FAB mentioned. Don't know what is the difference).
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FAB also commented that "Canon Prima" was a Jean Breuil trademark. This I'm not at all sure of. There were several guns pictured above and I'm not sure to which of them FAB was referring. I believe rather that "Canon Prima" is an Auguste Blondeau mark and therefore the "crossed plumes" are AB quality marks. The example FAB posted from naturabuy is below. It has the AB under crown mark, the "crossed feathers" barrel quality mark, and "Canon Prima")
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Nice, lovely sleuthing on all fronts, fronds & all.....

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Now, on to how >>England<< became a Modell by Auguste Blondeau.

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As a final comment, Chris's gun SN 2309 looks to have pre-dated the AB 4 lock patent "Solidgripp" which could further help date the gun.

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