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I have brought a range finder and binos in carry on when traveling overseas to Europe and had no issues. I keep them with a friend of mine so I dont have to bring them back and forth. nothing too expensive but they are there and I dont have to bring others. I shoot rifles there also. target shoot. I have use of a rifle but it has a fixed 4x on it and I want to put a better optic on it for 300M shooting with my aging eyes. a $500 Vortex variable. can I bring that in carry on and not have an issue. anyone have any experience with that. Its not a military grade optic.
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Brian,
When you ask "is it an issue", do you mean will it break in my luggage, or is it legal to bring into the country?
I just spent a good amount of time determining if it was legal for me to ship a barrel for a Marlin 1893 in 32-20 to Canada.
Turns out, it's not.
Rob
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We have a group of simpletons that populate this site, that can’t/won’t grasp that things change, laws are subject to interpretation, and people who make their living molding the great unwashed masses into compliance will always need examples to demonstrate to their overlords they are a necessary component of the bureaucracy. Asking the wrong people for answers leads to the situation that Rob discovered. I’d suggest you take any hard answer you get here with a grain of salt.
I never tried to move a scope between two different countries. I wouldn’t even know where to look to find out if there were restrictions on doing so. No doubt someone will tell you to just do it, I’d say figure out if you are OK with it being seized, and how comfortable you are with being locked up before you try something like that.
If it were me, I’d look into perhaps shipping it to the same guy who has your range finder and binocs. The shipping company should at least have an idea if it is legal for them to do it. I’ve had good luck on several (not many, but, more than one) international shipments with DHL, but, they were going to South America, not Europe.
I wish I had or could come up with a hard, fast, answer for you. Sorry, I can’t.
Good luck, and absolutely do let us know what happens, and what you discover.
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I have brought a range finder and binos in carry on when traveling overseas to Europe and had no issues. I keep them with a friend of mine so I dont have to bring them back and forth. nothing too expensive but they are there and I dont have to bring others. I shoot rifles there also. target shoot. I have use of a rifle but it has a fixed 4x on it and I want to put a better optic on it for 300M shooting with my aging eyes. a $500 Vortex variable. can I bring that in carry on and not have an issue. anyone have any experience with that. Its not a military grade optic. Here is a link to a Vortex scope at that $499 price point. https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-venom-5-25x56mm-riflescopes.html and attached to that is the following https://www.opticsplanet.com/export.htmlAnd what is the legal definition of a "military grade optic"? Either buy a scope in the country your friend lives in or have him buy a scope if possession in that country is regulated. If the courts of either the US or whatever country you go to to hunt get involved, it's going to cost you a LOT more than $500 before you're done.
I have become addicted to English hammered shotguns to the detriment of my wallet.
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I have brought a range finder and binos in carry on when traveling overseas to Europe and had no issues. I keep them with a friend of mine so I dont have to bring them back and forth. nothing too expensive but they are there and I dont have to bring others. I shoot rifles there also. target shoot. I have use of a rifle but it has a fixed 4x on it and I want to put a better optic on it for 300M shooting with my aging eyes. a $500 Vortex variable. can I bring that in carry on and not have an issue. anyone have any experience with that. Its not a military grade optic. Here is a link to a Vortex scope at that $499 price point. https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-venom-5-25x56mm-riflescopes.html and attached to that is the following https://www.opticsplanet.com/export.htmlAnd what is the legal definition of a "military grade optic"? Either buy a scope in the country your friend lives in or have him buy a scope if possession in that country is regulated. If the courts of either the US or whatever country you go to to hunt get involved, it's going to cost you a LOT more than $500 before you're done. Good information, except the very last line where they warn you that export laws vary and are “complex”. You are on your own. Best, Ted
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You cannot legally take a scope out of the US. I said legally. How I know is that when I was importing from Italy, my contact who I purchased guns from ( he has a shop in Brescia) asked if I could get him MEC loaders for shotguns and some rifle scopes. Was much cheaper here then him buying them in Italy. Found out that I needed an export license. Said to the Feds, wait this is stuff I can buy at a store and walk out with. Yes, but going out of the country for those items you need a license.
Now, if you put one in a bag on a plane I donot think anybody will care.
My difference was the quantity and having to ship it commercially
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You cannot legally take a scope out of the US. I said legally. How I know is that when I was importing from Italy, my contact who I purchased guns from ( he has a shop in Brescia) asked if I could get him MEC loaders for shotguns and some rifle scopes. Was much cheaper here then him buying them in Italy. Found out that I needed an export license. Said to the Feds, wait this is stuff I can buy at a store and walk out with. Yes, but going out of the country for those items you need a license.
Now, if you put one in a bag on a plane I donot think anybody will care.
My difference was the quantity and having to ship it commercially
JOhn Quality Arms Taking them out of county and selling or shipping to sell is quite different than taking one on a rifle. As for carry on, I can't guess, but I doubt the employee at the counter truly knows either. The best thing to do is contact the proper federal agency. It will not be BATF since this is out of country, nor is it likely the State Department as it would be if you were sending a barrel or other gun part (over $100 value) out of country. Not sure who controls international flight rules. When I wanted to send a barrel to Harry in England for his Borchardt, I could not find a definitive answer so I sent a note to one of my congress critters and they not only told me the correct department to contact, but also the correct office to call or email. Of course, rules in the country you are going to may be an issue too, but I would simply send it on/with the checked rifle and not have a worry in the world. It is the carry-on part that will be the problem and you have no reason to push the envelope. A scope on a hunting rifle is not an issue, as has been shown by thousands of successful travelers every year.
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Don't assume anything. Security clerks in other countries may or may not be cogent. On one return trip from Argentina to the USA I changed planes in Santiago. My luggage went through the x-ray device and I was called to the side by an agitated Chilean security guard. He showed me a tornado brush that was packed in my suitcase and demanded an explanation. In my poor Spanish I finally convinced him that it wasn't a weapon.
My advice, if you can't get a clear answer, is to ship it ahead to whoever you will be hunting with.
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You cannot legally take a scope out of the US. I said legally. How I know is that when I was importing from Italy, my contact who I purchased guns from ( he has a shop in Brescia) asked if I could get him MEC loaders for shotguns and some rifle scopes. Was much cheaper here then him buying them in Italy. Found out that I needed an export license. Said to the Feds, wait this is stuff I can buy at a store and walk out with. Yes, but going out of the country for those items you need a license.
Now, if you put one in a bag on a plane I donot think anybody will care.
My difference was the quantity and having to ship it commercially
JOhn Quality Arms Taking them out of county and selling or shipping to sell is quite different than taking one on a rifle. As for carry on, I can't guess, but I doubt the employee at the counter truly knows either. The best thing to do is contact the proper federal agency. It will not be BATF since this is out of country, nor is it likely the State Department as it would be if you were sending a barrel or other gun part (over $100 value) out of country. Not sure who controls international flight rules. When I wanted to send a barrel to Harry in England for his Borchardt, I could not find a definitive answer so I sent a note to one of my congress critters and they not only told me the correct department to contact, but also the correct office to call or email. Of course, rules in the country you are going to may be an issue too, but I would simply send it on/with the checked rifle and not have a worry in the world. It is the carry-on part that will be the problem and you have no reason to push the envelope. A scope on a hunting rifle is not an issue, as has been shown by thousands of successful travelers every year. At what point did the OP say he was taking a rifle with him? Best, Ted
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You cannot legally take a scope out of the US. I said legally. How I know is that when I was importing from Italy, my contact who I purchased guns from ( he has a shop in Brescia) asked if I could get him MEC loaders for shotguns and some rifle scopes. Was much cheaper here then him buying them in Italy. Found out that I needed an export license. Said to the Feds, wait this is stuff I can buy at a store and walk out with. Yes, but going out of the country for those items you need a license.
Now, if you put one in a bag on a plane I donot think anybody will care.
My difference was the quantity and having to ship it commercially
JOhn Quality Arms Taking them out of county and selling or shipping to sell is quite different than taking one on a rifle. As for carry on, I can't guess, but I doubt the employee at the counter truly knows either. The best thing to do is contact the proper federal agency. It will not be BATF since this is out of country, nor is it likely the State Department as it would be if you were sending a barrel or other gun part (over $100 value) out of country. Not sure who controls international flight rules. When I wanted to send a barrel to Harry in England for his Borchardt, I could not find a definitive answer so I sent a note to one of my congress critters and they not only told me the correct department to contact, but also the correct office to call or email. Of course, rules in the country you are going to may be an issue too, but I would simply send it on/with the checked rifle and not have a worry in the world. It is the carry-on part that will be the problem and you have no reason to push the envelope. A scope on a hunting rifle is not an issue, as has been shown by thousands of successful travelers every year. At what point did the OP say he was taking a rifle with him? Best, Ted When he said he leaves his range finder and binos over there. Rifle being conspicuously absent. If he is not taking a rifle, then just put it in checked baggage - even easier to do without a firearm.
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