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If you wish the seam weren't there take a look at the Rizzini BR550. It is Pianni Fissi - no Mono Bloc Seam. I also prefer this look. Thank you for pointing that out. I have a B. Rizzini SxS imported and marketed by WLM made to their specifications as 'Upland EL SxS'. It too has an invisible barrel/mono-bloc joint. I never thought it was anything but a very well done mono-bloc and had never heard of 'Piani Fissi' which apparently involves some kind of welded joint before barrel striking. Mine was made in 2007, so they have been doing this for some time.
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Circa 2025, how a manufacturer knits a pair of new barrels together is likely moot. Every method works, and the material is much improved from even 100 years ago. For all the complaints and bltching about brazed rib guns, it is damn hard to find one with a loose rib, a good thing, as I question how you would ever get it fixed. Kirk Merrington told me decades ago that relaying ribs on tinned and soldered barrels was a maintenance issue, and to plan on doing it, eventually.
Chopper lump, shoe lump, dovetail lump, monobloc, whatever. Take it out and shoot it.
I doubt most of us are young enough to be concerned about wearing a new gun out. I’d be more concerned about how it fit, and how well I hit flying targets with it.
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I have been at the factories of many of the Italian shotgun makers. They do not test regulate their barrels. The only exception maybe Perazzi. They did show me their pattering board auto system and how it worked, but that does not mean they use it for every gun.
Bernardelli used a grid on the wall and had the barrels in vise, lined up the rings in the barrel to the grid and made adjustments with the barrel vise. They had me look through it a show me, but could not see it.
As far as mono block or chopper lump. I have items of both. I have not had issues with either. Shoot what you want and don't loose sleep over it.
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![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/317WaOQ.jpg) For more information of Bonehill’s Patent Clip lump please see the excellent article by John Campbell II in DGJ volume 32 issue 3 ((Autumn 2021) which includes this helpful illustration of the rear end view as set out in the patent application.
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Shotgunjones
I have been at the factories of many of the Italian shotgun makers. They do not test regulate their barrels. The only exception maybe Perazzi. They did show me their pattering board auto system and how it worked, but that does not mean they use it for every gun.
Bernardelli used a grid on the wall and had the barrels in vise, lined up the rings in the barrel to the grid and made adjustments with the barrel vise. They had me look through it a show me, but could not see it.
As far as mono block or chopper lump. I have items of both. I have not had issues with either. Shoot what you want and don't loose sleep over it.
John Arrieta John, I am envious you got to visit Bernardelli before they closed. Long ago a Bernardelli Roma 6 28ga was my first SxS. Last year I visited a gunmaker in Marcheno; as you say none regulate except the top end like maybe Parazzi or F.Lli Rizzini. And drove past the closed Bernardelli factory. I found this video of Bernardelli - shows the Piani Fissi barrel at about 13:30 Bernardelli
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![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/317WaOQ.jpg) For more information of Bonehill’s Patent Clip lump please see the excellent article by John Campbell II in DGJ volume 32 issue 3 ((Autumn 2021) which includes this helpful illustration of the read end view as set out in the patent application. Thanks for posting this info. I never knew this went as far back to 1884
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Interesting Bernardelli video, I watched the part about Piani Fissi and surprised myself about how much Italian I was able to understand.
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My wife's and my guns have chopper lump, mono-block and shoe/platform lump barrels. In the past I have owned guns with dove-tail lumps. All have worked equally well for us, but chopper-lump barrels have the panache - deserved or not.
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A $600 German air rifle is shipped with a test target.
Shotguns selling for many thousands are not shipped with a test target.
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A $600 German air rifle is shipped with a test target.
Shotguns selling for many thousands are not shipped with a test target. The rear sight on a shotgun is the shooters eye. They don’t all look to the same place. If guys buying $600 German air rifles tried shooting them at flying birds, they would trade them for new shotguns that didn’t come with a target. Best, Ted
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