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Shocked Stan. Just shocked. You never disappoint. Maybe you should take a pill or something. You are going to have a stroke wanting to argue over Italian barrel joining.
With the wrong person.
You should chase RWG for a while.
I knew that you can’t do chopper lump barrels on $2500.00 guns in Italy.
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A verifiable answer popped up here in less time than it might have taken to generate an email that may never have been answered. Now I know. Yeah, verifiable how, and when? The poster just below you who obviously has no small amount of knowledge about Italian doublegun manufacturing methods doesn't seem to be as convinced of their being of chopper lump construction as do you. While you now sit back convinced you have the correct answer you could have placed one phone call to the company and gotten an answer straight from the horse's mouth. While you THINK you know the answer from replies on here I reached out by phone to Upland Gun Company and spoke to their representative in an instant. He answered my question about barrel joining and the answer was NOT what you thought you "knew". UGC said they use both mono-bloc and demi-bloc construction. Mono-bloc is the default method used on the lower priced model S X S ((Zeus) with demi-bloc being used on the upgraded model (Venus). However, and you could not have found this out with anything less than a phone call to them, they WILL build the Zeus with demi-bloc barrels upon request, roughly a $400 upgrade option. So, CZ, while you rest in your answer you THINK is correct, based on hearsay, there is the REAL answer. You should team up with ed good. Both of you would rather generate a post designed to have someone else do your legwork for you than do it yourself. That phone call took me all of three minutes, and cost nothing. I could care less that YOU get a correct answer to your question. I made the call because I wanted to know, for my future wants. BTW, the rep I spoke with thanked me for calling and asked me to call again, so he didn't consider it a waste of his time at all. You must be so proud of yourself Stan. Congratulations.
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You can't seem to comprehend a simple paragraph. Upland Gun Company WILL do chopper lump barrels on their $2499 gun, the Zeus. All that is required is to request them and pay a $400 upgrade fee.
My last post on this matter. Bye now.
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You can't seem to comprehend a simple paragraph. Upland Gun Company WILL do chopper lump barrels on their $2499 gun, the Zeus. All that is required is to request them and pay a $400 upgrade fee.
My last post on this matter. Bye now. Boy, I bet you feel really good about yourself today!
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A better question for the maker might be what steps are taken to regulate the barrels before they are finished and shipped.
Do they even try? Are the guns test fired for regulation or do they simply induction braze things together and hope nobody complains? Can the customer specify the load used for regulation? What does the company consider adequate regulation?
I would expect a true 'custom gun' to shoot to point of hold with my specified load. How they hold the barrels together is quite secondary.
And lastly, suppose the gun when delivered cross fires by a foot. What recourse does the customer have? Is this in writing?
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RFMdDoesn't make the barrels, or the receiver or trigger group. RFM is an assembler and finisher. No shame in that. Many gun companies outsource to the specialist in Val Trompia. My guess is the barrels are made by Lamec. Lamec BarrelsOr maybe BFIM BFIM BarrelsAnd probably blued by Brugar. Brugar.$400 for a Chopper Lump upgrade? Just show me the seam.
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The seam in and of itself wouldn't be so bad to me. But, the addition of bands of engraving to supposedly hide it is. I have guns like that, but I wish they weren't there. It's like women who used to put colored makeup on a "beauty mark". It only draws more attention to it, IMO.
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A better question for the maker might be what steps are taken to regulate the barrels before they are finished and shipped.
Do they even try? Are the guns test fired for regulation or do they simply induction braze things together and hope nobody complains? Can the customer specify the load used for regulation? What does the company consider adequate regulation?
I would expect a true 'custom gun' to shoot to point of hold with my specified load. How they hold the barrels together is quite secondary. When is the last time you were aware of a gun making company that guaranteed regulation, that wasn't building bespoke guns? I agree completely in the need for such, but expecting it today is living in a dream world. And lastly, suppose the gun when delivered cross fires by a foot. What recourse does the customer have? Regulating them yourself by changing payload and velocity. I have personally witnessed huge changes and satisfactory results by doing so. Maybe not a foot, but I moved one 20 gauge 8" at 25 yards like this. Problem is that most people would rather b*tch and complain than try to do something about it themselves.
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The seam in and of itself wouldn't be so bad to me. But, the addition of bands of engraving to supposedly hide it is. I have guns like that, but I wish they weren't there. It's like women who used to put colored makeup on a "beauty mark". It only draws more attention to it, IMO. I was referring to the seam on the lumps of a Chopper Lump barrel. It would be the definitive evidence of the Upland Gun Company's claim a barrel is Chopper Lump and not Pianni Fissi. Not the seam around the barrels on a Mono Bloc barrel Take a look at what I posted earlier. Hallowell Chopper LumpIf you wish the seam weren't there take a look at the Rizzini BR550. It is Pianni Fissi - no Mono Bloc Seam. I also prefer this look. Rizzini BR550PS: a good explanation of the 3 types of barrels from Antonio Poli. In Italian but a good demo. Nice fellow - met him at the European Outdoors Show in Verona last year. Antonio Poli - Barrel Types.
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If dealers/makers are too busy to answer a question likethat, I'mprobably not inclined to buy a gun from them.
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