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Just wanted to say congratulations on what is a historic and auspicious day.

President Trump! Sounds much better than Former President Trump. Or President Elect Trump. Time to get to business!

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The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Bright, shiny, and optimistic as well.

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And with the resignation of little fidel, I hope things get better on your side of the border.

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Thank you, James.

With the recent developments in Canada, and other places where the leftist agenda is being repudiated, (looking at you, Eastern Europe) I am hopeful for better days across the world.

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Maybe there is some hope for California?

Thank you James.

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Watching with pride and gratitude.


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Originally Posted by Tim in PA
And with the resignation of little fidel, I hope things get better on your side of the border.

Castreau hasn't actually resigned. Just engaged in a little sleight of hand to buy time and try to salvage power for his party. Lawsuits about his actions have been filed and while his expulsion from power is inevitable, the idiosyncrasies of our system means the next leader of the Liberal Party will automatically become PM. The question then becomes how fast do they get forced into an election. That's the thing they are trying desperately to avoid. An election. And it's always the Right that gets accused of being bad for democracy.


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Thank you, James.

With the recent developments in Canada, and other places where the leftist agenda is being repudiated, (looking at you, Eastern Europe) I am hopeful for better days across the world.

Best,
Ted

I'm looking at Javier Milei of Argentina as my current political ideal. He's someone both Trump and our next conservative PM, Pierre Poilievre, should look to for inspiration. A very appropriate quote from Milei a year into his term......"My contempt for the State is infinite" .


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Breathing a sigh of relief here. Let the "Golden Age" begin. God Bless America!

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What do we know about his choice to lead ATF?

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… and the secret service?


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I don't usually respond to political posts but My wife and I were married in St. John's church right across Lafayette Park from the White House where the service was held this morning 43 years ago. It is an Episcopal church but what is not well know is that it's also the church of the French Huguenots in Washington DC (Jean ((John)) Calvin = Presbyterians). There is a large and beautiful reception room behind the church where we sat alone for tea (There was only us to and the Pastor whose wife was French). The lectern is in the shape of an eagle. In a corridor to the left there is a bronze plaque with the names of all the Presidents who had Huguenot blood starting with George Washington.

https://huguenotsociety.org/hugueno...ina-historical-society-prxgc-4p72d-t6pk8

It's interesting that Louis XIV forced out the most productive members of French society in the late 17th century to America's benefit.
In 1685 Louis XIV enacted the Edict of Fontainebleau, which replaced the Edict of St. Germain and made Protestantism illegal. More bloodshed ensued, and over the next several years, more than 200,000 Huguenots fled France for other countries.

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Trump on the Panama Canal, " We're taking it back".

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Gene;

Thank you for comments especially that George Washington had French Hugenot ancestry.

We have a great deal to thank our French Hugenot ancestors. Many came to Virginia and South Carolina. One of the most famous of the descendants of the French Hugenot's here in South Carolina was Francis Marion the "Swamp Fox".

My wife's French Hugenot ancestor arrived in Jamestown, Virginia.


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It's a positively Glorious Day for America!

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I chose to withhold comment until it was certain the 4 year National Nightmare was officially over.

All morning, I thought of the iconic image above, and felt this was much more than the usual change of leadership and a transfer of power. It seemed more like the country and the world must have felt on V J Day, 8/14/1945, to know a costly and brutal World War had finally ended.

Donald Trump confirmed that in his Inaugural Address, where he minced no words with his predecessor mere feet behind him. There was no phony civility. It was a harsh recounting of the damage done, and a solemn vow to reverse the 4 years of criminal damage done by the cabal that was using the puppet Biden to fundamentally destroy our founding principles.

This was actually confirmed minutes earlier, as Trump was being sworn in, and the announcement popped up that Biden had added to the last day pardons of Dr. Fauci, Gen. Milley, Liz Cheney, and the entire Jan. 6th Committee, and made last minute pardons of several members of his own crime family.

That should be ample proof to anyone with a brain that we were governed for the last 4 years by a criminal enterprise, intent on doing great harm to our nation, enriching themselves at our expense, and even facilitating a foreign invasion at taxpayer expense.

I never thought any administration could do so much damage in only 4 years. Damage that extensive won't be fixed overnight, and it will be very costly. Now we need to stand behind our new President to help him get the job done. We must not relax and take our eye off the ball, and allow the anti-gun and anti-American Democrats to stymie him, or take the House in 2026. We need to support Trump like never before. We must never let the pendulum swing back anywhere close to where it was... or this wonderful moment will be in vain.


The"Big Tent" of Gun owners is a Big Fraud... to give cover to fools who vote for Anti-gunners.

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Before the current federal holiday is over may I quote the namesake and say "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty we're free at last."

Y'all know what I mean. 😉


May God bless America and those who defend her.
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James,
Graffiti on a monument in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi:

[url=https://ibb.co/LP2Pxjj][Linked Image from i.ibb.co][/url

It is aimed squarely at Brussels, by Georgians who have no desire to be the next Ukraine.

The masses are fed up with the everlasting wars, and the prosperity siphoning effect of globalism.

The many false promises of the various “isms” are well documented. Yet, they persist.

The stupid, criminal, and corrupt are never far from the voting booth. Kamala got 74 million votes.

Some of those voters are right here.

You can vote your way into socialism, but, you have to shoot your way out.

Eastern Europeans, unlike our own idiots, comprehend this well.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
James,
Graffiti on a monument in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi:

[url=https://ibb.co/LP2Pxjj][Linked Image from i.ibb.co][/url

It is aimed squarely at Brussels, by Georgians who have no desire to be the next Ukraine.

The masses are fed up with the everlasting wars, and the prosperity siphoning effect of globalism.

The many false promises of the various “isms” are well documented. Yet, they persist.

The stupid, criminal, and corrupt are never far from the voting booth. Kamala got 74 million votes.

Some of those voters are right here.

You can vote your way into socialism, but, you have to shoot your way out.

Eastern Europeans, unlike our own idiots, comprehend this well.

Best,
Ted

Prosperity creates a strange, self-destructive corrupting effect on people. If you live in a prosperous country, you learn self-loathing. Intellectualism, unmoors itself from reality and becomes stupidity. Progressivism may be the worst ism. It ignores the reality that almost everything can only progress to a certain point, after that you're regressing. Whatever else anyone wants to say about Trump, I think he understands that.

Here is an interesting read from 60 years ago. God help us.



https://www.wordandwork.org/2018/02/paul-harveys-if-i-were-the-devil-transcript-from-1965/

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
You can vote your way into socialism, but, you have to shoot your way out.

True, that.


May God bless America and those who defend her.
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A quote from Keith's post. "This was actually confirmed minutes earlier, as Trump was being sworn in, and the announcement popped up that Biden had added to the last day pardons of Dr. Fauci, Gen. Milley, Liz Cheney, and the entire Jan. 6th Committee, and made last minute pardons of several members of his own crime family."

In a way he screwed them by pardoning them because now if they are called upon to be asked about someone that have to answer and cannot plead the 5h Amendment, now are liable for jail. Which I hope happens.

God Bless America.


David


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“Prosperity creates a strange, self-destructive corrupting effect on people. If you live in a prosperous country, you learn self-loathing. Intellectualism, unmoors itself from reality and becomes stupidity. Progressivism may be the worst ism. It ignores the reality that almost everything can only progress to a certain point, after that you're regressing.”

This is one of the most cogent comments I’ve seen on the internet.

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"Cogent" doesn't do it justice. Tim in Pa, where did you come up with this?

If this is your own analysis then... I stand in complete awe of it (as it answers questions that I've never been given a good answer-to).

My take on it all is that "unearned prosperity" is at the core of it. I have known for years that we all "stand on the shoulders of giants" (not my phrase, Sir Isaac Newton's BTW) and that if we were ignorant of that history then we were ill-equipped to maintain it's gifts. Both "technology" and "liberty" is great stuff until the children of the men who created it become too-stupid or "addled" to understand it or maintain it, thus the source of another phrase "in the end, the barbarians win".

Maybe "sex, drugs, and rock & roll" really was a communist plot to destroy western civilization?

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Thank you both for kind words. Some of it is a distillation of other's thoughts, some original to me. Or it could be Divine inspiration, and I'm just too dull to know when He's talking to me.

But I do believe progressivism to be our biggest threat today. Constantly changing, moving on to something else, simply for the sake of progress, regardless of whether or not things improve, and especially if they don't, which you can almost count on. And there is no end to it. Someone writing for the American Spectator, in an article about the gay revolution, said when these things start, no one ever says, we go this far and stop, there's never a stopping point. And so it is with progressivism. Change until everything is destroyed.

Tim

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Rational self interest says that individually, every person will desire to do what they view as best for them.
In aggregate (as a society) that sum isn’t necessarily good for the group.
Nor other individuals within the group.
That continuous striving by individuals (often times working cooperatively) is what “you” view as progressivism.
It is aggregate self interest.
Others might just view it more generically as “change”.
Adam Smith described it as “the invisible hand”.


Not that it matters, but I view it all as a big Rugby scrum, with a whole bunch of muscle pushing the mass all over the place, for eternity.
There is no stasis.
Sometimes it squishes in a direction I find favorable, other times not.

Just have to keep my pot of beans full in the face of it.


Out there doing it best I can.
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Originally Posted by ClapperZapper
Rational self interest says that individually, every person will desire to do what they view as best for them.
In aggregate (as a society) that sum isn’t necessarily good for the group.
Nor other individuals within the group.
That continuous striving by individuals (often times working cooperatively) is what “you” view as progressivism.
It is aggregate self interest.
Others might just view it more generically as “change”.
Adam Smith described it as “the invisible hand”.


Not that it matters, but I view it all as a big Rugby scrum, with a whole bunch of muscle pushing the mass all over the place, for eternity.
There is no stasis.
Sometimes it squishes in a direction I find favorable, other times not.


Just have to keep my pot of beans full in the face of it.
Wisdom and truth are discernible and revealing. Truth is unchanging. All actions can be verified by wisdom and truth, freely given to us by God and His Word. It is innate and irrefutable. It is stasis personified in Jesus.
JR

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Be strong, be of good courage.
God bless America, long live the Republic.
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no one ever says, we go this far and stop, there's never a stopping point. And so it is with progressivism. Change until everything is destroyed.


A few years back I read somewhere about the path to Marxism and how to accomplish it. Controlling the schools. Controlling the media. Spend an insane amount. Normalize gays. They have accomplished all. The next thing was promote transsexuals . At that time I thought there's so few of them that I doubt that would happen. Then came Obama and his bathroom edict. Look where we are today. Whoever wrote that was right on the money.

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Originally Posted by ksauers1
no one ever says, we go this far and stop, there's never a stopping point. And so it is with progressivism. Change until everything is destroyed.


A few years back I read somewhere about the path to Marxism and how to accomplish it. Controlling the schools. Controlling the media. Spend an insane amount. Normalize gays. They have accomplished all. The next thing was promote transsexuals . At that time I thought there's so few of them that I doubt that would happen. Then came Obama and his bathroom edict. Look where we are today. Whoever wrote that was right on the money.

Of course it goes exactly the same way in the other direction of extremism such as fascist hyper conservatism, as we are seeing now and have seen before in eastern Europe, South American, and many other places. Controlling the schools and the media has already become part of this administrations agenda - well it was part of the platform before they even got elected. We are watching the nazification of American today, and for the next 4+ years.

And so it is, in these "interesting times".

Get your blinders tight, boys.


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The people who wanted mandatory vaccinations, camps for the unvaccinated, wanted to deny medical care and social security to the unvaccinated, have left the building.

The handlers of Joe Biden saw that they were pardoned before he left. Along with Biden’s family, for whatever crimes they may have committed. Only a complete fool would believe Joe Biden had anything to do with this.

January 20 was truly the high water mark in the history of the democrat party, higher than Jim Crow, higher than the KKK, higher than the internment of US citizens of Japanese decent during WWII, higher than any of their many accomplishments through history.

Wonder how many of them realize it?

Few, I’m guessing.

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It is indeed a great day for America. I have not watched the evening news for years because it just sickened me. I am now watching it again (Newsmax). 'Scuse me, it's almost 5 o'clock. grin


May God bless America and those who defend her.
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I watch the news again for the entertainment value. Trump is the gift that keeps on giving.

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We didn't watch it for years and it's only recently we can stand to watch a few minutes at one time and that's usually Newsmax. We can't tolerate the rest of the pukes.

When democrats accuse you of something, especially things like fascism, socialism, censorship, distraction, diversion and especially lying, you can be absolutely certain that is EXACTLY what they are and have been doing.

Part of the communist 50 point plan from the 1950's was to take over the media, the schools, the unions and one or both political parties. Guess which party they now have near complete control over?

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Originally Posted by ClapperZapper
Rational self interest says that individually, every person will desire to do what they view as best for them.
In aggregate (as a society) that sum isn’t necessarily good for the group.
Nor other individuals within the group.
That continuous striving by individuals (often times working cooperatively) is what “you” view as progressivism.
It is aggregate self interest.
Others might just view it more generically as “change”.
Adam Smith described it as “the invisible hand”.


Not that it matters, but I view it all as a big Rugby scrum, with a whole bunch of muscle pushing the mass all over the place, for eternity.
There is no stasis.
Sometimes it squishes in a direction I find favorable, other times not.

Just have to keep my pot of beans full in the face of it.

To a point, I would agree with you, but progressivism isn't about self-interest, nor is it rational. It's about self-dislike and a hatred for anyone they disagree with, with some nebulous ideals shoveled in to give it some respectability. Self-interest doesn't really factor into this. Like Lenin said about capitalist dupes, we'll hang them with the rope they sell us. How about gays for Palestine? If they showed up in Palestine they'd get chucked off a tall building. Defund the police? Close the jails? That will work out well for them. How about the stupid white progs who show up at a BLM rally and get told if they want to help they can hand over their money and property and get lost. Progressivism is every bad idea of the last 150 years cooked together in a stew to poison Western Civilization, and they will happily drive themselves off a cliff cheering.

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Always at the top of the scrum is the pious lefty, who claims he is just another one of them, and has a private army to watch over his disarmed populace.

Castro was a billionaire:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithf...astros-extravagant-life/?sh=d1ed4e36d769

That single fact should convince most of the evil of the left, including those who wouldn’t know a nazi if he gassed them.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by ksauers1
no one ever says, we go this far and stop, there's never a stopping point. And so it is with progressivism. Change until everything is destroyed.


A few years back I read somewhere about the path to Marxism and how to accomplish it. Controlling the schools. Controlling the media. Spend an insane amount. Normalize gays. They have accomplished all. The next thing was promote transsexuals . At that time I thought there's so few of them that I doubt that would happen. Then came Obama and his bathroom edict. Look where we are today. Whoever wrote that was right on the money.

Of course it goes exactly the same way in the other direction of extremism such as fascist hyper conservatism, as we are seeing now and have seen before in eastern Europe, South American, and many other places. Controlling the schools and the media has already become part of this administrations agenda - well it was part of the platform before they even got elected. We are watching the nazification of American today, and for the next 4+ years.

And so it is, in these "interesting times".

Get your blinders tight, boys.

You're really serious about this, aren't you? Nazification? Tell me, when nazis, or communists, or dictators take over, what is one of the first things they do? Let me give you the answer, they take all the guns away. And which party in this country wants to eliminate the second amendment, and which party defends it? CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, NYT, NPR, PBS, etc, are mouthpieces for which party? And which party is screaming because social media is becoming freer? Are you seeing a pattern yet? Probably not.

The idea that the republican party is moving in the direction of hyper fascism is laughable. This party hasn't changed in the last 50 years that I can tell. What has changed is the democrats. Think of a football field, D's in the left endzone, R's in the right endzone. Now the D's pull their goalpost and move it 50 yards further left. And now they claim the political center is their 25 yard line and the R's have moved farther right. BS

And if you don't believe that? Look at what has happened in our lifetimes. Robert Byrd and George Wallace were democrats, how progressive were they? I would have liked to see drag queen story hour in Wallace's Alabama. How about some pride parades in Byrds hometown when he was grand wizard. In 1996, 118 democrats voted for the defense of marriage act, 65 against. How many do you think would vote for that today? Which party has socialist elected officials? 30 years ago, how many democrats would have backed the chemical and surgical mutilation of children?

You need to turn Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow off and expand your horizons.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Always at the top of the scrum is the pious lefty, who claims he is just another one of them, and has a private army to watch over his disarmed populace.

Castro was a billionaire:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithf...astros-extravagant-life/?sh=d1ed4e36d769

That single fact should convince most of the evil of the left, including those who wouldn’t know a nazi if he gassed them.

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Leftists have a foolproof test for identifying nazis, it's anyone who disagrees with them.

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Tim, you are absolute hoot. I don't know any republican that would agree with you. Trying to overthrow the government is nothing but traitorous.

Today, he muzzled the Dept. of Health and Human Services. Has a president ever done that? They can only speak to the public or anyone outside of the department with preapproval of thei White House appointed handler. Quite interesting. No republican has done that.

None has simply suspended a Constitutional Amendment. As he did yesterday. Can 2A be that far behind? 1A has been suspended from the minute he was sworn in. Yeah, not even Reagan dared any of that.

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From Wiki, a notoriously right wing organization, as regards HHS:

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See also: Criticism of the United States government § Criticism of agencies
In 2016, a published US Senate report revealed that several dozen unaccompanied children from Central America, some as young as 14 years old, were released from custody to traffickers where they were sexually assaulted, starved, or forced to work for little or no pay.[38] The HHS sub agency Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) released approximately 90,000 unaccompanied children during 2013–2015 but did not track their whereabouts or properly screen families accepting these children.[39]

To prevent similar episodes, the Homeland Security and Health & Human Services Departments signed a memorandum of understanding in 2016 and agreed to establish joint procedures within one year for dealing with unaccompanied migrant children. As of 2018, they have failed to do so. Between October and December 2017, officials from ORR tried to contact 7,635 children and their sponsors. From these calls, officials learned that 6,075 children remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight had run away, five had been removed from the United States and fifty-two had relocated to live with a nonsponsor. However, officials have lost track of 1,475 children.[40] ORR claims it is not legally liable for the safety and status of the children once released from custody.[41]

HHS is evidenced to be actively coercing and forcing bio-substances such as antipsychotics[42] on migrating children without consent, and under questionable medical supervision. Medical professionals state that wrongly prescribed antipsychotics are especially dangerous for children, and can cause permanent psychological damage.[43] Medical professionals also state DHS and HHS incarceration and separation policies are likewise causing irreparable mental harm to the children.[44][45]

Children are also dying in HHS custody.[46] The forced drugging, deaths, and disappearances of migrating Mexican and Central American children might be related to DHS falsely labeling them and their families as 'terror threats' before HHS manages their incarcerations. Despite a federal court order,[47] the DHS separation practices started by Obama[48] and mandated by the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy[49] have not been halted, and HHS has not stopped forcing drugs on the children it incarcerates.

In August 2022, the Office of the Inspector General for Health and Human Services reported that NIH had failed in its oversight of clinical trials, with slightly over half of sample trial results either being tardy for publication or remaining unpublished on ClinicalTrials.gov after several years from the stated completion dates.[50]

Freedom of Information Act processing performance
In the latest Center for Effective Government analysis of 15 federal agencies which receive the most Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests published in 2015 (using 2012 and 2013 data, the most recent years available), the DHHS ranked second to last, earning an F by scoring 57 out of a possible 100 points, largely due to a low score on its particular disclosure rules. It had deteriorated from a D− in 2013.[51]

Wonder if they maintain a SWAT team?

Sounds like an excellent department to be eliminated.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
....you are absolute hoot.....

.....he muzzled the Dept. of Health and Human Services. Has a president ever done that? They can only speak to the public or anyone outside of the department with preapproval of thei White House appointed handler. Quite interesting. No republican has done that.....

.....1A has been suspended from the minute he was sworn in.....

What is this, the dept. ofdouche rules of rugby? If you were molding your concept of the next marx in the field, did you hand out A's, because they 1A'ed your arse all day long? When you were out of the office for a few days, did you tell your grad student that they had full rights to speak against all your policies and instuctions?

This should be a feel good win for you, except for crappy, veggie red hair highlights, shortly there will be a dem heading this dept. Then, there will be no need for a whitehouse baby sitter. The thing that should scare you more than cut fentanyl is, your president has also executively ordered merit based job qualification, not your standards of who can express the most inappropriate opinion, or dig their high heels in the deepest.

The boots on dem grounds are even banning cell phones in the classroom, just three days in, and without marching orders. Your nazi concept of the 1A is out of step, and no self respecting rugby league would even give you a participation trophy.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
Before the current federal holiday is over may I quote the namesake and say "Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty we're free at last."

Y'all know what I mean. 😉

Stan, did you ''BACK'' the guy on the Parker gun collectors site that had a tread called ''Freedom Day'' ?
Did you put a ''LIKE'' ? There were 388 views of Freedom Day at 10:30 Monday Night. and ONLY 10 LIKES. By Tuesday morning the tread
''Freedom Day'' was ''TAKEN DOWN'' and the guy who started it was ''BANNED FOR EVER''. By the way, I know a lot of Parker Members come
on this site, I didn't see any of their names among the ''10 likes''

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I don't recall if I did or not, dh. It may have gone up and been taken down between my visits there. Do you recall who started the thread? Was it Harry Geitler?

The admin on the Parker site have a very strict rule they adhere to pretty closely . . . . NO POLITICS. I am guilty of transgressing that statute at times, like when I am as jubilant as I am right now. But, the Parker site is predominantly a very civil forum.


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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
I don't recall if I did or not, dh. It may have gone up and been taken down between my visits there. Do you recall who started the thread? Was it Harry Geitler?

The admin on the Parker site have a very strict rule they adhere to pretty closely . . . . NO POLITICS. I am guilty of transgressing that statute at times, like when I am as jubilant as I am right now. But, the Parker site is predominantly a very civil forum.

YES it is, And its controlled by a ''LIBERAL'', maybe more than one.

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Originally Posted by Tim in PA
Prosperity creates a strange, self-destructive corrupting effect on people. If you live in a prosperous country, you learn self-loathing. Intellectualism, unmoors itself from reality and becomes stupidity. Progressivism may be the worst ism. It ignores the reality that almost everything can only progress to a certain point, after that you're regressing. Whatever else anyone wants to say about Trump, I think he understands that.

Here is an interesting read from 60 years ago. God help us.



https://www.wordandwork.org/2018/02/paul-harveys-if-i-were-the-devil-transcript-from-1965/

I think Tim in PA mostly nailed it in his first post. However, not everyone who is blessed with prosperity becomes afflicted with self-loathing, stupidity, or Progressivism. So we need to look a bit closer to understand why over half the country were finally able and motivated enough to steer the ship to the Right far enough to elect Trump.

It took a couple extra elements to transform the Democrat Party of 50 years ago into the sick and perverted thing that largely replaced it. Part of it is found in Tim's link from Paul Harvey. Much of the same can be found in the teachings of Obama's mentor Saul Aulinsky, in his book "Rules For Radicals. There was an element that was, and still is, playing the long game of taking over much of the Mainstream Media and academia.

They knew there were enough stupid or mentally ill people that they could brainwash, beginning in kindergarten and elementary school, and continue all through school, college, and adulthood.

They knew they don't even need to convince a majority, so long as there were enough of us on the other side who were lazy or apathetic... or sympathetic. Of course, they were very deceptive, such as when they claimed they only wanted equal rights for gay couples. But that quickly advanced to demands that we had to accept ever more perverted behaviors. So in a very short time, we had a takeover of the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts, transgenders grooming elementary school children, and perverted books advancing homosexuality in school libraries and classrooms. All of the pedophiles who visited Epstein Island are still free. Soon we also had DEI protecting perverted behavior in corporate America and the Government, and also promoting advancement based upon race, gender, non-genders, or sexual orientation instead of competency and ability. There was actual punishment or loss of employment for anyone who didn't accept the fact that perversion and mental illness will never be normal. Then it went further, to the point of forcing young girls to share locker rooms with biological males, and to compete with them in sports. Then it got to the point where these sick people demanded that taxpayers must pay for their gender mutilation surgery, and that minor age children could hide it from their own parents.

Just think... the pendulum had to swing that far to the Left before enough people woke up and decided it was time to take back our country, and reject insanity. It also took finally noticing that every dollar we saved or earn has lost roughly 20-25% of its' value in 4 years, and we have been invaded by tens of millions of Illegal aliens. We are financing costly wars, and our Strategic Petroleum Reserve was looted to help Democrats get elected. Yet nearly half the country was dumb enough to want 4 more years of the same.

The Left came very close to reaching a point where their indoctrination would be irreversible. They won't stop trying now, just because they suffered this setback. We have to stop the indoctrination of our children, and even adults who are too dumb to know better. We have to keep pushing for much greater Election Integrity, and understand there actually was enough widespread fraud to let Biden and his handlers take the White House. And we have to understand that it could easily take more than 4 years to undo the damage that's been done, so we need to start thinking about the 2026 and 2028 elections now... or it could all slide back down hill.


The"Big Tent" of Gun owners is a Big Fraud... to give cover to fools who vote for Anti-gunners.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
I don't recall if I did or not, dh. It may have gone up and been taken down between my visits there. Do you recall who started the thread? Was it Harry Geitler?

The admin on the Parker site have a very strict rule they adhere to pretty closely . . . . NO POLITICS. I am guilty of transgressing that statute at times, like when I am as jubilant as I am right now. But, the Parker site is predominantly a very civil forum.

YES it is, And its controlled by a ''LIBERAL'', maybe more than one.

Thanks. I’ll NEVER go there.

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Originally Posted by dirty harry
Originally Posted by Stanton Hillis
I don't recall if I did or not, dh. It may have gone up and been taken down between my visits there. Do you recall who started the thread? Was it Harry Geitler?

The admin on the Parker site have a very strict rule they adhere to pretty closely . . . . NO POLITICS. I am guilty of transgressing that statute at times, like when I am as jubilant as I am right now. But, the Parker site is predominantly a very civil forum.

YES it is, And its controlled by a ''LIBERAL'', maybe more than one.

And, you know this how? Not being argumentative, just need a bit more evidence than a political thread being taken down.

There are many conservatives on the Parker site who make that very clear by their posts, and their posts are not deleted.


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I for one an quite happy with the outcome of the election. That is the extent of my political commentary.

what i am not happy about is the never-ending pissing matches here.
I dont engage in them. There are several posters (posers) i would engage with if I wanted to go down those rabbit holes and go tit for tat over stupid $hit but I dont. Its called maturity.
I have been on this site for quite a while. I don't post for periods of time because I have nothing of value to add to something being discussed and I don't want to be in the middle of some childish bickering of grown ass men. I have to put up with enough childish behavior with a wife of 45 years, so this should be an escape from that. And I do come here to learn.
while flaming each other may feel good at the moment, it is a waste of time for those of us that have to wade through the BS to get to the heart of a posting.
The key board commandoes always want to engage in big D!ck contests. To that I just want to say "grow the F up! its a friggin double gun site. You know, we talk about guns and hunting.
Most of you who have axes to grind with each other will never ever see each other in person. So you grow a big pair sitting behind a keyboard and subject us (who want to learn more about double guns) to your petty feuds. Some of you remind me of those two old geezers on the Muppets who constantly argue with each other.
Yes, we have free speech. And I have risked my life to defend it. And you can exercise your free speech and go on with your petty feuds. And I will sit back, ignore when I can those of you who have a terminal case of sand in your Mangina's and separate the petty BS from the knowledge that is often offered here.

PS: I wish dueling was still legal and all of you who engage in this behavior could meet and settle it once and for all. And it would cleanse the gene pool of half of the problem!

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Originally Posted by Brian
I for one an quite happy with the outcome of the election. That is the extent of my political commentary.

what i am not happy about is the never-ending pissing matches here.
I dont engage in them. There are several posters (posers) i would engage with if I wanted to go down those rabbit holes and go tit for tat over stupid $hit but I dont. Its called maturity.
I have been on this site for quite a while. I don't post for periods of time because I have nothing of value to add to something being discussed and I don't want to be in the middle of some childish bickering of grown ass men. I have to put up with enough childish behavior with a wife of 45 years, so this should be an escape from that. And I do come here to learn.
while flaming each other may feel good at the moment, it is a waste of time for those of us that have to wade through the BS to get to the heart of a posting.
The key board commandoes always want to engage in big D!ck contests. To that I just want to say "grow the F up! its a friggin double gun site. You know, we talk about guns and hunting.
Most of you who have axes to grind with each other will never ever see each other in person. So you grow a big pair sitting behind a keyboard and subject us (who want to learn more about double guns) to your petty feuds. Some of you remind me of those two old geezers on the Muppets who constantly argue with each other.
Yes, we have free speech. And I have risked my life to defend it. And you can exercise your free speech and go on with your petty feuds. And I will sit back, ignore when I can those of you who have a terminal case of sand in your Mangina's and separate the petty BS from the knowledge that is often offered here.

PS: I wish dueling was still legal and all of you who engage in this behavior could meet and settle it once and for all. And it would cleanse the gene pool of half of the problem!



It sure would be nice if we could stick to double guns, but if we cannot, then I am certainly willing to stand up for my side of the fence. Simple as that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. That is not my intent.


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Keith, your last post was a great analysis put in simple, easy to understand terms. Well said my friend.
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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by Brian
I for one an quite happy with the outcome of the election. That is the extent of my political commentary.

what i am not happy about is the never-ending pissing matches here.
I dont engage in them. There are several posters (posers) i would engage with if I wanted to go down those rabbit holes and go tit for tat over stupid $hit but I dont. Its called maturity.
I have been on this site for quite a while. I don't post for periods of time because I have nothing of value to add to something being discussed and I don't want to be in the middle of some childish bickering of grown ass men. I have to put up with enough childish behavior with a wife of 45 years, so this should be an escape from that. And I do come here to learn.
while flaming each other may feel good at the moment, it is a waste of time for those of us that have to wade through the BS to get to the heart of a posting.
The key board commandoes always want to engage in big D!ck contests. To that I just want to say "grow the F up! its a friggin double gun site. You know, we talk about guns and hunting.
Most of you who have axes to grind with each other will never ever see each other in person. So you grow a big pair sitting behind a keyboard and subject us (who want to learn more about double guns) to your petty feuds. Some of you remind me of those two old geezers on the Muppets who constantly argue with each other.
Yes, we have free speech. And I have risked my life to defend it. And you can exercise your free speech and go on with your petty feuds. And I will sit back, ignore when I can those of you who have a terminal case of sand in your Mangina's and separate the petty BS from the knowledge that is often offered here.

PS: I wish dueling was still legal and all of you who engage in this behavior could meet and settle it once and for all. And it would cleanse the gene pool of half of the problem!



It sure would be nice if we could stick to double guns, but if we cannot, then I am certainly willing to stand up for my side of the fence. Simple as that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. That is not my intent.

As I plainly stated, and that should show no feathers ruffled. For that matter, why would you even think that? Considering I was making an observation, not grinding my own axe. you can tilt at all the windmills you like. as long as I can avoid the petty BS, I'm good. Otherwise, I just dont click on a thread. Simple as that.

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He can't help it, Brian. He's just brent that way.


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Originally Posted by Brian
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by Brian
I for one an quite happy with the outcome of the election. That is the extent of my political commentary.

what i am not happy about is the never-ending pissing matches here.
I dont engage in them. There are several posters (posers) i would engage with if I wanted to go down those rabbit holes and go tit for tat over stupid $hit but I dont. Its called maturity.
I have been on this site for quite a while. I don't post for periods of time because I have nothing of value to add to something being discussed and I don't want to be in the middle of some childish bickering of grown ass men. I have to put up with enough childish behavior with a wife of 45 years, so this should be an escape from that. And I do come here to learn.
while flaming each other may feel good at the moment, it is a waste of time for those of us that have to wade through the BS to get to the heart of a posting.
The key board commandoes always want to engage in big D!ck contests. To that I just want to say "grow the F up! its a friggin double gun site. You know, we talk about guns and hunting.
Most of you who have axes to grind with each other will never ever see each other in person. So you grow a big pair sitting behind a keyboard and subject us (who want to learn more about double guns) to your petty feuds. Some of you remind me of those two old geezers on the Muppets who constantly argue with each other.
Yes, we have free speech. And I have risked my life to defend it. And you can exercise your free speech and go on with your petty feuds. And I will sit back, ignore when I can those of you who have a terminal case of sand in your Mangina's and separate the petty BS from the knowledge that is often offered here.

PS: I wish dueling was still legal and all of you who engage in this behavior could meet and settle it once and for all. And it would cleanse the gene pool of half of the problem!



It sure would be nice if we could stick to double guns, but if we cannot, then I am certainly willing to stand up for my side of the fence. Simple as that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. That is not my intent.

As I plainly stated, and that should show no feathers ruffled. For that matter, why would you even think that? Considering I was making an observation, not grinding my own axe. you can tilt at all the windmills you like. as long as I can avoid the petty BS, I'm good. Otherwise, I just dont click on a thread. Simple as that.

It would great if folks could avoid the pretty BS, but as you can see from Stan's post, for example, that is not going to happen. Thinking otherwise is a lot like tilting at windmills.


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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
....It sure would be nice if we could stick to double guns, but if we cannot, then I am certainly willing to stand up for my side of the fence. Simple as that. Sorry if it ruffles your feathers. That is not my intent.

....It would great if folks could avoid the pretty BS, but as you can see from Stan's post, for example, that is not going to happen. Thinking otherwise is a lot like tilting at windmills.[/quote]

You let everyone know prof. It's not about little dicks, faux maturity or lying that it's petty, but simply about you picking a side. A side that needs to be opposed at every opportunity. Apathy is the true problem, right prof, I know I can count on you to go the extra mile.

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Well, as it turns out, Brent D’s beloved Department of HHS does indeed have a SWAT team, as does the US Forest Service, Amtrak , NASA, and a few others that a beleaguered taxpayer or three might question the wisdom of. ATF was recently busted trying to hide their chief of DEI training with a new title, the morons just likely gave that cute congresswoman from Colorado a bunch more ammunition to hopefully kill that organization with. The grandma’s who were praying outside abortion clinics have been released from prison, as well as the guy who put up a website and ended up with two life sentences plus 40 years, despite never even having so much as a parking ticket in his life.

Nazis are where you find them, I guess. Hope NASA doesn’t get the wrong address on the next fake SWAT call, and hurt someone who didn’t have it coming.

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The important thing Ted, while the sun is shining at an unusually rapid rate, the prof nazis cancered this into the US of A, under the radar. The one thing prof didn't count on, his voter wall was as porous as his southern border. # don't make proclamations, make law, lol.

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Need a lefty Inspector General? Bunch of them looking for work at the moment.

What was that one word, again?

Oh yea, I just remembered.

MAGA.

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i have been a fan of trump since the eighties...

and was the first to endorse him for president on this forum...

way back when...

however...

about the birth right citizenship thing...

what was he thinking when he decreed to end the right of citizenship for all persons born in these u s of a?...

ah mean, its pretty clearly written in the 14th amendment...

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Originally Posted by ed good
i have been a fan of trump since the eighties...

and was the first to endorse him for president on this forum...

way back when...

however...

about the birth right citizenship thing...

what was he thinking when he decreed to end the right of citizenship for all persons born in these u s of a?...

ah mean, its pretty clearly written in the 14th amendment...



It is pretty clear. And it's not ALL persons. The 14th speaks of persons subject to the jurisdiction of the US and of the state they reside. Tourists and illegals are subject to the jurisdiction of the countries they came from, and are not residents of any state. It's not a blanket. Babies born to foreign diplomatic personnel in the US are not citizens, why should illegals and tourists get that privilege? Just because law has been abused or misread does not mean it can't be corrected now.

I didn't read the EO, but it doesn't really matter what was written. Trump knew it would be immediately challenged and litigated, the point wasn't to rule by decree, the point was to start a national conversation and get the ball rolling. And that is what it has done. And I believe a congressman has, or is, introducing legislation to clarify this problem.

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Thank you, Tim, for clarifying this. This law is way past its expiration date.
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tim, a person, physically in one of the u.s. of a states, is in the jurisdiction of said state and the federal gubmint...

if one is born here, one is a citizen of the us of a...

the children of diplomats are exceptions, who may apply for permanent residency status...

the 14th amendment lists no other specific exceptions...

do we now have to deal with conservative revisionist interpretations of the constitution...

hope not, as it means we are no different than the others trying to bend the law of the land to accommodate our own selfish interests...

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" if one is born here, one is a citizen of the us of a..." Sorry ed not true to all, go back and re-read the 14th Amendment, and this time let it sink in.


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Originally Posted by ed good
tim, a person, physically in one of the u.s. of a states, is in the jurisdiction of said state and the federal gubmint...

if one is born here, one is a citizen of the us of a...

the children of diplomats are exceptions, who may apply for permanent residency status...

the 14th amendment lists no other specific exceptions...

do we now have to deal with conservative revisionist interpretations of the constitution...

hope not, as it means we are no different than the others trying to bend the law of the land to accommodate our own selfish interests...



Why are criminals afforded privileges denied to legally present diplomatic personnel?

The 14th was written to grant citizenship to slaves, not illegal aliens. If the amendment was reimagined and misapplied afterwards, this isn't about bending the law, it's about correcting the misapplication of the law. Originalism isn't revisionism, conservatives want to straighten the law, not bend it.



“The Fourteenth Amendment has been, without a doubt, the most dynamic part of the United States Constitution since the Civil War,” said Michael P. Zuckert, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Notre Dame.

The amendment’s application had been a little like an accordion, with its first set of uses very narrow. “But once it started to broaden, everything becomes part of the 14th Amendment,” Zuckert said.

While the 14th Amendment was intended to correct the moral wrongs of slavery, it has been repurposed and reinterpreted over the past 157 years in cases involving American workdays, schools, train cars, interracial marriages, birth control and even the possession of pornography.

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Originally Posted by ed good
.....do we now have to deal with conservative revisionist interpretations of the constitution...

Shirley, you jest, nothing's on fire. The profs. of this country invented, and claim that the constitution is a living and breathing document. Maybe, the prof's President just want to test the theory in court. Instead of making chit up, convince your Representatives and Senators to pass law that narrows the definition. You know, immigration reform that resembles enforcement of what's already law.

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Originally Posted by ed good
uh John, there ain't no expiration date for the amendments to the constitution...
Figure of speech, ed. How about "outlived its usefulness for its intended purpose"? Feel better? Didn't think you would.
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Originally Posted by John Roberts
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uh John, there ain't no expiration date for the amendments to the constitution...
Figure of speech, ed. How about "outlived its usefulness for its intended purpose"? Feel better? Didn't think you would.
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John, that is as pathetic as it is just wrong. Lots of people say the same thing about 2A. But only you get to pick and choose? Really?

It is funny you guys want to hide behind the phrase "jurisdiction" phrase while treating 2A's "militia" phrase as if it does not exist.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
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uh John, there ain't no expiration date for the amendments to the constitution...
Figure of speech, ed. How about "outlived its usefulness for its intended purpose"? Feel better? Didn't think you would.
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John, that is as pathetic as it is just wrong. Lots of people say the same thing about 2A. But only you get to pick and choose? Really?

It is funny you guys want to hide behind the phrase "jurisdiction" phrase while treating 2A's "militia" phrase as if it does not exist.

Hypocrisy rules here on the doublegun Politics, all day, every day, forum.

The Supreme Court ruled in Heller that the definition of militias extended beyond organized and regulated state and national militias and up to the people, themselves.

Look it up.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
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uh John, there ain't no expiration date for the amendments to the constitution...
Figure of speech, ed. How about "outlived its usefulness for its intended purpose"? Feel better? Didn't think you would.
JR

John, that is as pathetic as it is just wrong. Lots of people say the same thing about 2A. But only you get to pick and choose? Really?

It is funny you guys want to hide behind the phrase "jurisdiction" phrase while treating 2A's "militia" phrase as if it does not exist.

Hypocrisy rules here on the doublegun Politics, all day, every day, forum.

The Supreme Court ruled in Heller that the definition of militias extended beyond organized and regulated state and national militias and up to the people, themselves.

Look it up.

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No kidding? Who knew?

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The 14th.

What was meant by the clause was that you had to be subject to no other sovereign.

Senator Jacob Howard drafted the citizenship clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Here is what he said it meant: "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." (Emphasis added.)

Well, if we value honesty, that right there should settle it.

Congressman John Bingham, sometimes called the father of the Fourteenth Amendment itself, held that its meaning was that "every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen." (Emphasis added.)

Sarcasm, off.

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yeah, "natural born citizen"...seems pretty clear to me....

which includes children born here, whose mothers carried them here in their womb...

for the sole purpose that their offspring, as American citizens would have opportunities not available to them anywhere else...

what a wonderful gift...

and who are we, as offspring of previous immigrants to claim we have the right to deny them that gift....

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yes, it is a great day for America...

but let not hypocrisy reign...

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Ed, name another country that allows pregnant mothers to illegally cross their sovereign borders, thereby committing a felony, to give birth and expect citizenship for the baby?

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ted, birth right citizenship may be a unique feature of our constitution...

along with much of the bill of rights...

especially that right to keep an bear arms thing...


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[.....Sarcasm off.

Sorry, this is the hypocrisy forum.

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Originally Posted by ed good
ted, birth right citizenship may be a unique feature of our constitution...

along with much of the bill of rights...

especially that right to keep an bear arms thing...

Ed,
Many features of our constitution may be considered unique if people don’t bother to read what the framers had in mind.

Go back and re-read what the authors of the 14th intended. Hint-it isn’t what is going on today.

I’ll give you a minute.

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Well, much as it choked in the craw of several hosts, CNN has reported that after his first week, Donald Trump has a higher approval rating from the American public that he ever had at any point during his first term.

I see Columbia decided to take back their citizens who illegally entered the US, after initially refusing to. It's called FAFO! Canada will shortly be learning the same lesson.

It's good to see someone, finally, rolling back against the Red Threat. Hollywood did a pretty damn good job vilifying Sen Joe McCarthy but he was on to something. 1940s - Fuchs was sending A-Bomb designs to Moscow from Los Alamos in real time. 1950s - The Rosenbergs got Teller’s thermonuclear bomb plans to Moscow in real time. By the early 60s MI6 was completely compromised by rich pinko kids from Cambridge. Fast forward to the 2020s and Canada has a three term Cuban communist dictator! LA has a named communist terrorist for a mayor.This isn't imaginary.

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Canvasback, I don’t think people are realizing how right Mcarthy was. The commies did to him pretty much the same as they done to Trump. Their tactics never really change

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As heartened as I am over the state of things now in our Federal systems, I am quite disappointed with the state of things here in Colorado. All the better small gunshops here are closing due to new Colorado gun and ammunition laws and a newly revised state regulatory scheme.

All the smaller shops are being taxed and then regulated out of existence. Most will be gone by this summer. Seemingly all that will remain will be the big boxes.

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As heartened as I am over the state of things now in our Federal systems, I am quite disappointed with the state of things here in Colorado. All the better small gunshops here are closing due to new Colorado gun and ammunition laws and a newly revised state regulatory scheme.

All the smaller shops are being taxed and then regulated out of existence. Most will be gone by this summer. Seemingly all that will remain will be the big boxes.

I hear ya Lloyd! Once the newly submitted law making it illegal to sell semi-auto guns with a detachable magazine gets past and goes into effect, it will be the final nail in the coffin for the small gun shops in Colorado. Putting these shops out of business was the intended effect of these laws IMO.

On a brighter note: Both ICE & the DEA have been doing raids & rounding up the bad actor illegals around here. In one raid alone over the weekend they nailed close to two hundred in one wack. This wouldn't have happened if Kamala was elected!!

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DOGON: I'm not saying I'm hopeless, it's just hard to watch (maybe "The Donald" can start treating Colorado like Columbia?).

Makes me very glad I accumulated most-everything I was ever curious about while I could.

I guess I'll be smuggling ammo in from Wyoming (& elsewhere) every chance I get now, at least until the local sporting & clays ranges close (due to a lack of shooters).

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ted, reread the words of senator howard and congressman bingham, posted above...

their intent seems pretty clear...

if you are born here you are an american citizen...


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Originally Posted by ed good
ted, reread the words of senator howard and congressman bingham, posted above...

their intent seems pretty clear...

if you are born here you are an american citizen...



Their intent is blindingly clear - if you are a citizen of another country, the 14th amendment does not cover you. Period.

If you cannot comprehend that, there is no point in going any further.

As for citizenship being this wonderful gift an alien mother is gifting her child, the gift is to herself. The child becomes an anchor preventing her deportation and setting her up for government handouts. And bringing in more illegals. A nice way to game the system.

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tim, yeah, but, if you are born here, then that make you a birth right citizen of the united states...

reqardless of the citizenship status of your mother...the exception being if the mother has foreign diplomatic status...

why is it that you will not accept that...

and so, to deny an alien mother the benefits of any other alien, because she made it possible for her child to be an American citizen is ok with you...

you sound like one selfish and insensitive sob...

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[reqardless of the citizenship status of your mother...the exception being if the mother has foreign diplomatic status...

why is it that you will not accept that....[/quote]


Why won't you tell me why criminals are afforded privileges denied to legal aliens?

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Originally Posted by Tim in PA
Why won't you tell me why criminals are afforded privileges denied to legal aliens?

I think he slipped on the ice like Buzz.


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Trump obviously knew that his Executive Order reversing the flawed theory of Birthright Citizenship would result in lawsuits, and that would force the Supreme Court to decide the issue once and hopefully for all.

Here is a good article explaining why the 1898 Wong Kim Ark decision, and the false notion of jus soli, was in error:

https://americanmind.org/salvo/birthright-citizenship-game-on/

This was further explained by Constitutional Scholar Mark Levin on 1/25/2025:



None of us here will ultimately decide this issue. The same Liberal Left Democrats who reject Trump's Order also argued for decades that the 2nd Amendment did not confer and Individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms. They were in total denial of the Original Intent of the Framers, even though their debates, speeches, and writings behind it were there for all to see. That was finally decided in the 2008 Heller decision... and Liberal Democrats still do everything they can to circumvent our Constitutional 2nd Amendment Rights.


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extracted from above:

Trump’s executive order looks to redefine the constitutional right of birthright citizenship to exclude the children of noncitizens. In your opinion, does he have any legal ground to stand on?
No. Now, there’s really two reasons for that. The first is that this is an executive order, not an act of Congress, right? And so the first question is, does the president on his own have the power to redefine citizenship? And to do that, he would have to be able to point to some law enacted by Congress or something in the Constitution specifically that says the president can do this — and there is nothing like that. The Supreme Court has held, in some cases during the Biden administration when President Biden tried to do certain things on his own through executive orders like student-debt relief or certain kinds of COVID policies, that there was no statute that gave him the power to do these things.

Now, the second problem is even if you thought there was some law that supported the executive order in an act of Congress, it’s unconstitutional. The reason it’s unconstitutional is that when the 14th Amendment was ratified, there were only a couple of very narrow exceptions to the rule that everyone born here is a citizen and none of those exceptions have anything to do with the fact that your parents may or may not have done something. The example that the executive order cites is to say people who have come here illegally are invaders. And it is true that back when the 14th Amendment was ratified, if you had an invading army — Canada invades Maine and then children are born in Maine under Canadian occupation — those children would not be considered birth citizens because, in effect, that part of the country would not be under the control of the government, right? It would be totally under enemy control.


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If you are a citizen of somewhere else, not born here, and give birth, that child is not a US citizen.

If you are a citizen of somewhere else, and have crossed the US border without authorization, you are a criminal, whether you are pregnant, or, not.

Do not pass go, get out, go home, take your spoor with you.

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ted, well then, pls provide definition of birth right citizenship as defined by the constitution ...


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ted, well then, pls provide definition of birth right citizenship as defined by the constitution ...

He already did that, ed. The U S Supreme Court may well have the deciding say on this. Then, you can tell them why they're wrong.


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The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child? What has it done that offends you?
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

And what about children of mixed citizenship status parents or children of legal immigrants? How are those children different and superior, or do you throw them out too? You guys have a lot of hate.

I wonder how many here can produce documentation that their ancestral lineage is pure enough to pass muster?


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The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child? What has it done that offends you?
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

And what about children of mixed citizenship status parents or children of legal immigrants? How are those children different and superior, or do you throw them out too? You guys have a lot of hate.

I wonder how many here can produce documentation that their ancestral lineage is pure enough to pass muster?

Well, if you want to bring up hating the child, you maybe should start with the nearly 1 million abortions performed, mostly on black and brown babies every year. That seems pretty hateful to me.

My wife was a legal immigrant when our son was born. She held a green card, because, that is the way you are supposed to immigrate to the U S, legally. She applied, waited her turn, paid her fees, had her medical examination, was vetted for, and pronounced free of loathsome third world diseases and was granted a green card, that led to citizenship.

What you seem too dense to realize is the 14th is very specific about who is a citizen by birth, and who is not. If you don’t like it, change the law, don’t ignore it.

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The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child? What has it done that offends you?
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

And what about children of mixed citizenship status parents or children of legal immigrants? How are those children different and superior, or do you throw them out too? You guys have a lot of hate.

I wonder how many here can produce documentation that their ancestral lineage is pure enough to pass muster?

Well, if you want to bring up hating the child, you maybe should start with the nearly 1 million abortions performed, mostly on black and brown babies every year. That seems pretty hateful to me.

My wife was a legal immigrant when our son was born. She held a green card, because, that is the way you are supposed to immigrate to the U S, legally. She applied, waited her turn, paid her fees, had her medical examination, was vetted for, and pronounced free of loathsome third world diseases and was granted a green card, that led to citizenship.

What you seem too dense to realize is the 14th is very specific about who is a citizen by birth, and who is not. If you don’t like it, change the law, don’t ignore it.

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The 14th is NOT specific other than "jurisdiction". It does not say legal immigrants or citizens. Just "jurisdiction". Let that sink is a bit, Ted. You have problems with comprehension.

If you do not like it, change it. But it is what it is. Of course, paternal parentage is always in question - got the proof? Thought not.

Frankly, I do not care whether your wife was legal or not. How does that affect the child? Is the child somehow less desirable or defective if the parent is not "legal"?

Your hate is long and dark, my friend.


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ted, it has become obvious that you do not understand nor have ever actually read the 14th amendment...

to start you off, here is an objective overview provided by Google...

The 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees citizenship and equal protection under the law to all people born or naturalized in the United States. It was ratified in 1868.
What does the 14th Amendment do?
Citizenship
Grants citizenship to all people born or naturalized in the United States, including formerly enslaved people
Equal protection
Prohibits states from denying equal protection under the law to anyone within their jurisdiction
Due process
Prohibits states from depriving anyone of life, liberty, or property without due process of law
Voting rights
Authorizes the government to reduce a state's representation in Congress if it abridges citizens' right to vote
Office holding
Prohibits people who engaged in insurrection against the United States from holding certain offices
Public debt
Prohibits questioning the validity of the United States' public debt


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Per usual, you just read the part you liked and skipped the part about foreign sovereignty.

As in, if the parents owe allegiance to any sovereignty not the US, great big no-go on citizenship for the kid.

Who has trouble with comprehension?

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You skipped the part about hating the million other babies, too.

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and here is the full text of the amendment...


AMENDMENT XIV

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child?

Correct. I don’t hate the child.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

The old race card bit. The parents are here illegally.
If one of their parents is an American citizen or here legally there is no issue.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
You guys have a lot of hate.

I hate the Canadiens (the hockey club in Quebec, not the people) and the Winnipeg Jets.

They can take their American kid back to wherever they came from and get in line like everyone else.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child?

Correct. I don’t hate the child.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

The old race card bit. The parents are here illegally.
If one of their parents is an American citizen or here legally there is no issue.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
You guys have a lot of hate.

I hate the Canadiens (the hockey club in Quebec, not the people) and the Winnipeg Jets.

They can take there American kid back to wherever they came from and get in line like everyone else.


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Sum bltch.

It took you most of a decade, but, you finally typed something I can like.

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Except the hockey crap. I have no clue what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child?

Correct. I don’t hate the child.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

The old race card bit. The parents are here illegally.
If one of their parents is an American citizen or here legally there is no issue.


Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
You guys have a lot of hate.

I hate the Canadiens (the hockey club in Quebec, not the people) and the Winnipeg Jets.

They can take there American kid back to wherever they came from and get in line like everyone else.

Why, why do you penalize the kid? What is wrong with the child? Does the child not have rights of its own? Are its only rights the rights of its parents? If so, it is not a person, it just an extension of a person.

What do you hope to gain by this penalizing? Satisfaction, I guess, that you have stepped on another person, albeit and infant, and kicked it to the curb? What does this do for you?

Such strange behavior to hate an child. I suspect it is just because most of them tend to be heavily pigmented these days. What else can it be?


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exceptions to the 14th amendment...as provided by Google...

The 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause has a few exceptions, including children born to diplomats, children born to alien enemies, and children of Native Americans. ..


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no where does the amendment make other exclusions pertaining to birth right citizenship...

if one is born here, they are a citizen of the United States...


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ed,
“Subject to the jurisdiction of “ refers to people who have the responsibility of citizenship, in the United States, and not elsewhere.

If you are here Illegally, it is prima facia evidence that you are subject to the jurisdiction of somewhere else.

The amendment was very narrowly aimed at freed slaves after the civil war, to grant them citizenship after they were no longer chattel.

If your parents are legal, they can stay here and raise you. Otherwise, not so much.

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ted, as you deny the 14th amendment guarantees birthright citizenship to all born here and you have failed to define where else birthright citizenship is guaranteed in the constitution, then one must conclude, that from your perspective, there is no constitutional guarantee of the right of birthright citizenship?

and as for much of your posts above, you have come to legal conclusions, that are not supported by legislation nor judicial action...

aka, making stuff up...

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Originally Posted by ed good
exceptions to the 14th amendment...as provided by Google...

The 14th Amendment's Citizenship Clause has a few exceptions, including children born to diplomats, children born to alien enemies, and children of Native Americans. ..

Speaking of making stuff up, apparently, you can make stuff up and deflect.

The discussion should be about, is a foreign national, who is a felon by unlawful entry, an alien enemy. What if they were already felons, according to their home nation, lol.Can't call them an ally, can we. You should also email your Native American link to doge.

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ed,
I doubt the 14th, as written, was intended to be applied to an illegal invasion. The framers had no idea that something like that would be permitted to occur. They also could not have predicted that we would be cursed with an administration that would “lose” 300,000 illegal immigrant children. To his credit, the new president made it a priority to locate those kids, and has found about 20,000 of them. But, there are still too many missing. If you guys were really worried about “ the kid” you could start with those kids, but, you won’t.
The last president had a nickname bestowed on him by his kids, that insinuated he had a predilection for sexually abusing young children, and in my darker moments, I suspect the ease he brought to the youngest being able to get here, and then be lost, was brought about by that predilection.

This won’t be an issue at all when there is no illegal immigration. You guys can go back to just wishing those kids were getting here, and getting lost in the system

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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
I hate the Canadiens (the hockey club in Quebec, not the people) and the Winnipeg Jets.

They can take their American kid back to wherever they came from and get in line like everyone else.


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Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Go Wings! Bwahahahahaha!


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
The citizenship goes to the child, not the parent. Why do you do hate the child? What has it done that offends you?
Is it's skin color too often a wee bit dark for you? What is it?

And what about children of mixed citizenship status parents or children of legal immigrants? How are those children different and superior, or do you throw them out too? You guys have a lot of hate.

I wonder how many here can produce documentation that their ancestral lineage is pure enough to pass muster?

Well, if you want to bring up hating the child, you maybe should start with the nearly 1 million abortions performed, mostly on black and brown babies every year. That seems pretty hateful to me.


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I'm sure Ted noticed it, but nobody mentioned it...

Look carefully at what the Nutty Professor just did here. He is pretending to be sympathetic toward children, but then completely ignores Ted asking about saving the lives of unborn babies. The Nutty Professor also tries to portray Ted and others who oppose birthright citizenship as racist... even after Ted noted that a large portion of babies aborted each year are black or brown.

Last week, every Democrat in the Senate voted against a bill that required proper medical care for a baby born alive during a botched abortion. At that point, it is well beyond being able to say the baby is not a human, but just a clump of cells. Democrats voted against it anyway. It isn't about saving kids or helping kids. It's about the Liberal Left doing everything they can to gain a permanent majority, and to take us back to the dark and perverted places we were going before we woke up and re-elected Donald Trump.

Don't pay attention to what Liberal Democrats like the Nutty Professor say... pay attention to what they do.


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well, the 14th amendment may need amendment...

or congress and the pres may need to come up with a new law to address new issues...

meantime, its up to the courts to decide...

but, what we don't need is a zealot pres attempting to usurp the clear power of the 14th amendment...

its just wasting time and feeding into the hands of his and our domestic enemies...


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or, when the federal courts shoots down trumps xo, then that paves the way for Congress to act...

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Originally Posted by canvasback
Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Hello Canada Jim!

Nobody cares who won January.

And I am sure you are aware a large part of the Jets success so far is due to American net minder and Detroit native Connor Hellebuyck.

Anywho, grab another cocoa and get ready for the third period. Wings will be tied with the Canadiens after tonight.


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If you EVER went insane . . . . .

ROTFLMAO.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by canvasback
Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Hello Canada Jim!

Nobody cares who won January.

And I am sure you are aware a large part of the Jets success so far is due to American net minder and Detroit native Connor Hellebuyck.

Anywho, grab another cocoa and get ready for the third period. Wings will be tied with the Canadiens after tonight.


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The only problem with Canada is all the damn Canadians.

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Can’t see how adding you to the mix would help….

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by canvasback
Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Hello Canada Jim!

Nobody cares who won January.

And I am sure you are aware a large part of the Jets success so far is due to American net minder and Detroit native Connor Hellebuyck.

Anywho, grab another cocoa and get ready for the third period. Wings will be tied with the Canadiens after tonight.


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The only problem with Canada is all the damn Canadians.

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Can’t see how adding you to the mix would help….

Not really planning on adding myself to the mix. More of flex to my globetrotting cohorts. Sorta like StanfOrd sayin’ why I shot foe hunerd buhds, hoo boy!

Canadiens got smoked tonight.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by canvasback
Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Hello Canada Jim!

Nobody cares who won January.

And I am sure you are aware a large part of the Jets success so far is due to American net minder and Detroit native Connor Hellebuyck.

Anywho, grab another cocoa and get ready for the third period. Wings will be tied with the Canadiens after tonight.


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p.s. I got Canadian citizenship. Figured it would come in handy if I ever went insane and decided to move to Winnipeg.



The only problem with Canada is all the damn Canadians.

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Can’t see how adding you to the mix would help….

Not really planning on adding myself to the mix. More of flex to my globetrotting cohorts. Sorta like StanfOrd sayin’ why I shot foe hunerd buhds, hoo boy!

Canadiens got smoked tonight.


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Have all the easy ones. Still wouldn’t mind something in Asia.


We wouldn’t mind, either.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
You. In Asia. Take Ed with you.

He have a passport? Military ID? I’d probably ditch him in Guam.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
You. In Asia. Take Ed with you.

He have a passport? Military ID? I’d probably ditch him in Guam.


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Space-A is a heck of a benefit.

https://www.amc.af.mil/AMC-Travel-Site/

Hmm. Safe bet Ed has a clown license.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
You. In Asia. Take Ed with you.

He have a passport? Military ID? I’d probably ditch him in Guam.


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Space-A is a heck of a benefit.

https://www.amc.af.mil/AMC-Travel-Site/

Hmm. Safe bet Ed has a clown license.

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Probably expired.

I don’t know why but this seemed funny as hell after a couple shots of Sobieski and a pipe of Cornell & Deihl Burley Flake number 2. I’m giving you a like on this.


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well, here we are again...

looks like you boys have run out of arguments as to why the long standing American custom and tradition of birthright citizenship is suddenly no longer valid...

instead, you resort to the usual petty insults and weak personal attacks...sure signs of frustration and defeat...


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by canvasback
Jets......1st or 2cd (mostly first) in the league since the start of the season.

Hello Canada Jim!

Nobody cares who won January.

And I am sure you are aware a large part of the Jets success so far is due to American net minder and Detroit native Connor Hellebuyck.

Anywho, grab another cocoa and get ready for the third period. Wings will be tied with the Canadiens after tonight.


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Well we can be damn sure Detroit won't be in the mix in May and June.
Yep, a Michigan lad. Seeing as he went in the fifth round of the draft I guess Detroit was too dumb to pick a three time Vezina winning goalie. LOL
Woohoo....those Wings are TEARING it up......tied with the Habs for 20th in a 32 team league. You must be so proud!
Pretty sure Winnipeg wouldn't have you.


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Twenty-two States Sue to Stop Trump’s Birthright Citizenship Order...

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/us/trump-birthright-citizenship.html

read on if you wish, or not...

but, pls do refrain from posting your foolishness here...

ah mean, this is important stuff we are discussing here...

it is about what kind of people we are gonna be when the great crusade to drain the swamp is finally achieved...

to make a pun...lets not throw out the baby with the bath water...

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ed, I guess you didn't understand or didn't read the 14th Amendment. If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and have a child here you are not an American citizen and either is your child. You were not vetted.


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ed, I guess you didn't understand or didn't read the 14th Amendment. If you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT and have a child here you are not an American citizen and either is your child. You were not vetted.


Good luck with that. We have been pointing that out for 4 pages, not sure his comprehension is any better than Brent’s.


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Dave, guess you don't understand that birthright citizenship is a long standing American custom and tradition since when in 1868, the 14th amendment was ratified...

the exceptions to this right have been clearly and also long established...

the legal immigrant status and vetting of the mother are not established exceptions...

sounds like something somebody recently made up...

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and then there is this...

The Trump administration’s legal argument seems to hinge on the idea that children who are born in America to parents who are here unlawfully or on temporary status are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. What do you make of that argument?
Okay, if that were literally true, then they couldn’t be deported, right? In other words, the ordinary way in which everybody understands “subject to the jurisdiction” is you’re subject to the law and legal authority. And everybody agrees if you’re here illegally, you’re subject to the law. You can be deported. So, what are they trying to say? They’re trying to say, “Well, it doesn’t really mean that.” It means something else, which somehow means something about whether your parents are here legally or not. So, that’s the part where it kind of falls down.*

*lifted from a new york mag article...


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Originally Posted by ed good
Dave, guess you don't understand that birthright citizenship is a long standing American custom and tradition since when in 1868, the 14th amendment was ratified...

the exceptions to this right have been clearly and also long established...

the legal immigrant status and vetting of the mother are not established exceptions...

sounds like something somebody recently made up...


ed, point out the exact times in history that 11 million illegals were permitted by a corrupt administration to scamper across the border, and the precedent that permits mass granting of citizenship to anyone guilty of the felony of illegally crossing into the United States.

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Originally Posted by ed good
and then there is this...

.....*lifted from a new york mag article...

By chance, can you recall the title of this opinion piece?

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Rhoads, that stuff will kill you.

So will pontoon boats and FJR’s. What’s your point?


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Well we can be damn sure Detroit won't be in the mix in May and June.

We’ll see. About 8-9 teams in the wild card hunt.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/view/wild-card

Didn’t pick Hellebuyck? Had that Canadian idiot Ken Holland running the place. Practically destroyed the club. I trust the Yzerplan.

Winnipeg? I’d just as soon move to Minneapolis or Gary, Indiana.


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Lonny, on second thought, share that stuff with ed.

Give him the key to the FJ.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
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Rhoads, that stuff will kill you.

So will pontoon boats and FJR’s. What’s your point?


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Well we can be damn sure Detroit won't be in the mix in May and June.

We’ll see. About 8-9 teams in the wild card hunt.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/standings/_/view/wild-card

Didn’t pick Hellebuyck? Had that Canadian idiot Ken Holland running the place. Practically destroyed the club. I trust the Yzerplan.

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Lonny, on second thought, share that stuff with ed.

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if you guys prevail, the great maga revolution could wind up like the French revolution...


You guys needed to spend a lot more time thinking about the 25th amendment, instead of the 14th.

That “Sharp as a tack” crap sure went away in a hurry.

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Originally Posted by ed good
Dave, guess you don't understand that birthright citizenship is a long standing American custom and tradition since when in 1868, the 14th amendment was ratified...

the exceptions to this right have been clearly and also long established...

the legal immigrant status and vetting of the mother are not established exceptions...

sounds like something somebody recently made up...


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Originally Posted by ed good

Thanks Ed, I was aware of that. The author puts in print what we’re doing, but importantly, he speculates that the executive order will be tested in court. This is good stuff, either through finding legal loopholes that have never been questioned, or shooting down common perceptions that are not applicable.

Sunshine is far better than the patriot act, or covid mandates. It’s my opinion that the President is doing you more of a favor, than suspending the slightest increment of your rights.

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thank you founding fathers, for the federal court system...

it protects us from zealous leaders...

who would usurp the power of the constitution...


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Originally Posted by John Roberts
Originally Posted by ed good
Dave, guess you don't understand that birthright citizenship is a long standing American custom and tradition since when in 1868, the 14th amendment was ratified...

the exceptions to this right have been clearly and also long established...

the legal immigrant status and vetting of the mother are not established exceptions...

sounds like something somebody recently made up...


JR

Well, this version has a similar notion, but, puts the correct dark spin on what I believe we are dealing with.



You can’t win, with a losing hand.


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Originally Posted by ed good
thank you founding fathers, for the federal court system...

it protects us from zealous leaders...

who would usurp the power of the constitution...

Good luck with that. The Supremes have been bought and paid for. They are not likely to give up their exotic vacations and mega-yacht time.


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I was writing a Dylanesque song about the dystopian future in the USA. It had all kinds of apocalyptic imagery, you know, stuff like ragged and haggard bums riding across the Gordie Howe bridge towing a fridge with a Super Cub. That kind of stuff. The working title was “If Things Go South, I’m Going North” And then I realized you have to go south from Detroit to get to Windsor and I’m like fook me and gave up and put on ….

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…The Supremes...



… poured a shot of Sobieski, lit my pipe and ordered Chinese takeout.


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I rode a GSXR 750 from here to Buffalo, NY via Canada, back in the day. I was in a friends wedding and needed a road trip.

I haven’t been back since. Miss the bike, Canada, not so much.

It can’t get dystopian enough here, to get me to go there.

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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
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thank you founding fathers, for the federal court system...

it protects us from zealous leaders...

who would usurp the power of the constitution...

Good luck with that. The Supremes have been bought and paid for. They are not likely to give up their exotic vacations and mega-yacht time.

Hyperbole. None of the smart ones would vacation in Delaware, or fly the ukraine flag on their mega yacht. Have you noticed how thedum kids are mumbling on the hill, while nominees are being confirmed at a brisk clip. ed and the prof., you two should do a podcast.

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Sowell makes too much sense for any prof. to comprehend what he’s saying

Comprehension, including reading, isn't a requirement, it's an impediment. And facts are just stumbling blocks to be avoided when you have some leftist narrative to advance. A hefty dose of arrogance doesn't help either.

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Sowell makes too much sense for any prof. to comprehend what he’s saying

You’d think a farmer would understand though.


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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by ed good
thank you founding fathers, for the federal court system...

it protects us from zealous leaders...

who would usurp the power of the constitution...

Good luck with that. The Supremes have been bought and paid for. They are not likely to give up their exotic vacations and mega-yacht time.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that those liberal judges like RBG weren’t equally “bought” by their side? You are just mad that, after decades, the Left lost control of the USSC a while ago.

Like so many other complaints from the Left since Trump’s win, it boils down to them being mad they aren’t running the show anymore. They think it’s their divine right to be in charge.


The world cries out for such: he is needed & needed badly- the man who can carry a message to Garcia
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Originally Posted by BrentD, Prof
Originally Posted by ed good
thank you founding fathers, for the federal court system...

it protects us from zealous leaders...

who would usurp the power of the constitution...

Good luck with that. The Supremes have been bought and paid for. They are not likely to give up their exotic vacations and mega-yacht time.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that those liberal judges like RBG weren’t equally “bought” by their side? You are just mad that, after decades, the Left lost control of the USSC a while ago.

Like so many other complaints from the Left since Trump’s win, it boils down to them being mad they aren’t running the show anymore. They think it’s their divine right to be in charge.

Look no farther than the government fiasco in Minnesota for a stunning example of leftist corruption:

https://alphanews.org/minnesota-rep...state-saying-he-seized-control-of-house/

Remember on the first page when the idiot professor warned us about the “nazification” that was going to happen?

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Yea, he doesn’t know anything about that, either.

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That’s close Canvasback. They love activists for their judges and can’t stand judges who rule on the law and the constitution.

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…The Supremes...

If Sotomayor is going to her reward we can wish it sooner rather than later. She’s looking rough. Freeze at :30.



And before anyone accuses me of wishing ill on the old girl, by reward I mean retirement.


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…The Supremes...

If Sotomayor is going to her reward we can wish it sooner rather than later. She’s looking rough. Freeze at :30.



And before anyone accuses me of wishing ill on the old girl, by reward I mean retirement.


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Bit of a hitch in her giddy up.

Those nazis you warned us aboot starving you yet, prof?

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.....You're so full of shit but I can always wish that Trump beats her to it.

The face of diversity, equity and inclusion.

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.....You're so full of shit but I can always wish that Trump beats her to it.

The face of diversity, equity and inclusion.

Getting a little tense in here. Let’s dial it back, gentlemen.


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.....You're so full of shit but I can always wish that Trump beats her to it.

The face of diversity, equity and inclusion.

I am Surprised You Guys haven't called out the BrentD, Prof. for what He Really is, A LIBERAL ANTI AMERICAN HACK !

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.....You're so full of shit but I can always wish that Trump beats her to it.

The face of diversity, equity and inclusion.

I am Surprised You Guys haven't called out the BrentD, Prof. for what He Really is, A LIBERAL ANTI AMERICAN HACK !


Lol. You just need to read a few more threads. I would guess Brent has been called those things and many more. 🤣


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Someone explain this tarrif on Canada. My buddy runs a small lumber business and gets most of his lumber from Canada because that's what his custom builders want. Yes, it costs more then US lumber, but less warping and less knots, more consistent. He said this tarrif is going to drive up prices a lot and he has no choice but to pass it on.

He has been in the lumber business for 35 years fwiw.


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Originally Posted by tut
Someone explain this tarrif on Canada. My buddy runs a small lumber business and gets most of his lumber from Canada because that's what his custom builders want. Yes, it costs more then US lumber, but less warping and less knots, more consistent. He said this tarrif is going to drive up prices a lot and he has no choice but to pass it on.

He has been in the lumber business for 35 years fwiw.

Russian lumber imported through Germany can be superb, and cost effective. But I don't know about availability these days. I'm just glad that my house and barn were framed up back in November. Lumber prices are/were at precovid levels, but probably not by the end of this coming week.


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Someone explain this tarrif on Canada. My buddy runs a small lumber business and gets most of his lumber from Canada because that's what his custom builders want. Yes, it costs more then US lumber, but less warping and less knots, more consistent. He said this tarrif is going to drive up prices a lot and he has no choice but to pass it on.

He has been in the lumber business for 35 years fwiw.

From Sundance:

[Sec 2, SubSection (h)]: Sec. 2. (a) All articles that are products of Canada as defined by the Federal Register notice described in subsection (e) of this section (Federal Register notice), and except for those products described in subsection (b) of this section, shall be, consistent with law, subject to an additional 25 percent ad valorem rate of duty. Such rate of duty shall apply with respect to goods entered for consumption, or withdrawn from warehouse for consumption, on or after 12:01 a.m. eastern time on February 4, 2025, except that goods entered for consumption, or withdrawn from warehouse for consumption, after such time that were loaded onto a vessel at the port of loading or in transit on the final mode of transport prior to entry into the United States before 12:01 a.m. eastern time on February 1, 2025, shall not be subject to such additional duty, only if the importer certifies to CBP as specified in the Federal Register notice.

[…] (h) For avoidance of doubt, duty-free de minimis treatment under 19 U.S.C. 1321 shall not be available for the articles described in subsection (a) and subsection (b) of this section. {link}

So, Canada and Mexico get 25% tariffs, but China only 10%. Why? The secret is in that subsection “(h)” when it talks about de minimis treatment. Essentially, what President Trump is doing is levying a much more massive import tax, and possible confiscation impact on the core source of fentanyl (and other illegal) substances.

Approximately a billion packages are estimated to enter the USA under the cover of the de minimis exemption. This is where the enforcement mechanism of the “External Revenue Service” combines with the tariff approach and the “state of emergency.” President Trump imposed the tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, a nearly 50-year law that gives the president sweeping power to impose sanctions after declaring an emergency.

Now the billion packages, mostly from China, Mexico and Canada are going to be subjected to review and interception.

The de minimis loophole comes from back in the 1930s. The idea back then was, say you went on a vacation to Paris, you shouldn’t have to file customs paperwork or pay taxes if you decided to ship some little Eiffel Tower statues to your friends back home.

Congress in 2015 then raised the de minimis threshold from $200 to $800. However, the e-commerce world exploded, and Chinese companies began using the de minimis loophole to ship cheap goods (ex. Temu and Shein) into the USA direct to consumers without paying any customs duty.

It was reported last year that the U.S. was on track to receive a billion packages through the de minimis loophole that aren’t taxed and don’t have customs slips saying what they are. Making matters worse, illegal items are slipping through the cracks, including, knockoffs, unsafe items and even chemicals used to make fentanyl. The worst abuser that exploits this de minimis loophole is, by far, China.

President Trump can require a customs and duty declaration stating what is in every package and subsequently collect tariffs and duties.

Put it all together and President Trump is executing an Emergency Act executive order, plus the imposition of a tariff review, and simultaneous interception of de minimis packages previously unchecked as the enforcement mechanism. All executed by the External Revenue Service.

Despite leftists preaching that people like us with our double and other guns are the major problem in the world, the US is at a point where around 80,000 deaths a year are occurring from abuse of synthetic opioids. Mr. Trumps actions are aimed squarely at de minimus imports, subjecting them to duty, tariffs, inspection and seizure.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/895945/fentanyl-overdose-deaths-us/

It is an emergency.




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Originally Posted by tut
Someone explain this tarrif on Canada. My buddy runs a small lumber business and gets most of his lumber from Canada because that's what his custom builders want. Yes, it costs more then US lumber, but less warping and less knots, more consistent. He said this tarrif is going to drive up prices a lot and he has no choice but to pass it on.

He has been in the lumber business for 35 years fwiw.

Not a tariff on Canada. It is a tarriff on goods imported from Canada paid by the importer to the US government.
Your buddy explained it correctly; the customer unlimitedly pays it because he has to pass on the price increase.

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If it is an effective way to get a handle on illegal importations, especially drugs, I'm willing to help fund it with a small increase on lumber products from Canada. We're going to see such a sweeping lowering of prices on fuel and other perishables that It's going to be a win/win anyway.


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Canada is in a world of hurt:

https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/canada-is-a-failed-state-and-mark

Few Americans realize the scope of the drug pipeline the Chinese have assembled through Vancouver and into the US.

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If it is an effective way to get a handle on illegal importations, especially drugs, I'm willing to help fund it with a small increase on lumber products from Canada. We're going to see such a sweeping lowering of prices on fuel and other perishables that It's going to be a win/win anyway.

For 43 pounds of fentanyl from Canada.
Which is still 43 pounds too much.
USCBP Drug Stats

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Yes agreed. Should be zero.


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Yes agreed. Should be zero.

I got a feeling it is going to be zero.

Good luck with that.

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Though smaller in scope, maybe Columbia's about face on accepting deported gang bangers last week under threat of punitive tariffs, is a clue as to what threat of tariffs can do. There are many economic games played by bad actors, but prof'skamala let Columbia enter into a strategic agreement with China a little over a year ago.

It seems, even Canadians may be tiring of trudoe's wide ranging agendas, where have we seen that before, and maybe prof's healthy and vigorous President is looking for hard northern, as well as southern borders. Yup, used to marvel a rm bill's willful ignoring of all the latino named kids on his big Montana reservations, fathered by illegal southern gang bangers, up on the northern border, plying their trade. The expensive trail of substance misery is quite an un medical condition.

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This ain’t about wood, Brent.

Though smaller in scope, maybe Columbia's about face on accepting deported gang bangers last week under threat of punitive tariffs, is a clue as to what threat of tariffs can do. There are many economic games played by bad actors, but prof'skamala let Columbia enter into a strategic agreement with China a little over a year ago.

It seems, even Canadians may be tiring of trudoe's wide ranging agendas, where have we seen that before, and maybe prof's healthy and vigorous President is looking for hard northern, as well as southern borders. Yup, used to marvel a rm bill's willful ignoring of all the latino named kids on his big Montana reservations, fathered by illegal southern gang bangers, up on the northern border, plying their trade. The expensive trail of substance misery is quite an un medical condition.


No. It’s a clue to just how stupid Canadian leadership is. I expect a fresh new round of laws further disarming Canadians any day now.

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I haven’t heard any of them smugly bleating about their “free” healthcare in a while.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
I haven’t heard any of them smugly bleating about their “free” healthcare in a while.

To be fair….



…only Canadian I recall bragging about that was King.


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Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
I haven’t heard any of them smugly bleating about their “free” healthcare in a while.

To be fair….



…only Canadian I recall bragging about that was King.


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He just bragged the loudest.

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Pity he didn’t live just long enough to see the only thing the Canadian Docs would have given him at his age was an assisted suicide.

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Ted this video is spot on. So many do not understand or just don't want to look at the facts behind why Trump is so concerned.
Fentanyl is a huge problem.
I sat on an AZ Grand jury last year. I was shocked to find that more than half of all felonies we reviewed in some way involved Fentanyl. Whether it was theft, robbery, assault, rape or murder.

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craig, It's good to hear from you. I hope you're wintering well. And you're perfectly right for once; I haven't been paying any attention whatsoever to what parents on the reservations are naming their kids. Somehow that seemed none of my interest or business. Now that I know it matters, I'll keep an eye on it. On a related topic, celebrate our new pres while you still can. It's likely the end of our constitutional democracy. His philosophy of government is Get a Bigger Hammer. Our other dysfunctional party dithers and fritters away it's clout on issues that affect small minorities. As Bill Maher reminds us, we're a broken country. Watch inflation climb.


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The real problem for Canada right now is political machinations by Trudeau and the Liberal Party.

They have decided that the way to possibly salvage the next election and not get wiped off the map is to make the election about a trade war with the big bad Trump.

They couldn’t care less about the harm to the country, only about bettering their own situation. It is one of the most cynical political plays I have ever seen.

So while we could easily do what Trump is asking and avoid the tariffs, a la Columbia, that is not what Trudeau and his successor as leader of the Liberals, a globalist named Mark Carney, want to do. They want the fight no matter how badly we will lose.


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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by lonesome roads
Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein

King must be spinning in his grave.


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Guys like King got them to where they are now.


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I haven’t heard any of them smugly bleating about their “free” healthcare in a while.

I see Stan liked your post. Once we get the immigration and drug thing sorted we can work on the trillions wasted on farm subsidies, eh.


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Originally Posted by rocky mtn bill
craig, It's good to hear from you. I hope you're wintering well. And you're perfectly right for once; I haven't been paying any attention whatsoever to what parents on the reservations are naming their kids. Somehow that seemed none of my interest or business. Now that I know it matters, I'll keep an eye on it. On a related topic, celebrate our new pres while you still can. It's likely the end of our constitutional democracy. His philosophy of government is Get a Bigger Hammer. Our other dysfunctional party dithers and fritters away it's clout on issues that affect small minorities. As Bill Maher reminds us, we're a broken country. Watch inflation climb.

Oh Bill, Mr. Trump has small minorities on his mind as well:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/01/americas/americans-freed-in-venezuela-intl-hnk/index.html

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Good thing the Biden/Harris administration spent the previous four years getting everything ready.

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Originally Posted by canvasback
The real problem for Canada right now is political machinations by Trudeau and the Liberal Party.

They have decided that the way to possibly salvage the next election and not get wiped off the map is to make the election about a trade war with the big bad Trump.

They couldn’t care less about the harm to the country, only about bettering their own situation. It is one of the most cynical political plays I have ever seen.

So while we could easily do what Trump is asking and avoid the tariffs, a la Columbia, that is not what Trudeau and his successor as leader of the Liberals, a globalist named Mark Carney, want to do. They want the fight no matter how badly we will lose.

James,
It’s a special kind of stupid, that believes salvation lies in….

…wait for it….

Quebec.

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Colombia (note the spelling, it adds gravitas) 14 days in, is the bellwether.

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Originally Posted by Ted Schefelbein
Originally Posted by canvasback
The real problem for Canada right now is political machinations by Trudeau and the Liberal Party.

They have decided that the way to possibly salvage the next election and not get wiped off the map is to make the election about a trade war with the big bad Trump.

They couldn’t care less about the harm to the country, only about bettering their own situation. It is one of the most cynical political plays I have ever seen.

So while we could easily do what Trump is asking and avoid the tariffs, a la Columbia, that is not what Trudeau and his successor as leader of the Liberals, a globalist named Mark Carney, want to do. They want the fight no matter how badly we will lose.

James,
It’s a special kind of stupid, that believes salvation lies in….

…wait for it….

Quebec.

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Colombia (note the spelling, it adds gravitas) 14 days in, is the bellwether.

I have to figure out a way to subsidize my patch of tomatoes and zucchini. Any tips, Stan?


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Yah, cut back on the Sobieski vodka and buy fertilizer with your savings.


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Latest news flash, I think. "Canada to take all US liquor off the shelves." Is all liquor in Canada sold in provincial stores?

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Originally Posted by rocky mtn bill
.....celebrate our new pres while you still can. It's likely the end of our constitutional democracy. His philosophy of government is Get a Bigger Hammer....

....Watch inflation climb.

Did you ever think there were enough double murderers in the entire country, to rack up that many pardons. Did you think jo-n-kamala could have put out the volume of exec orders, that simply rescinding them, triggers tales of big hammer?

Exactly, like the Constitution, you don't really care. If you have the will to stick your head back in the sand, it'll probably get sandy. We'll both watch inflation together. Mexico is probably lost for decades, but will Canada blink sooner, or after the US is sending crude north?

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Originally Posted by craigd
…exec orders…

The old pen and a phone routine.

Pen’s in the “right” hand now.

Any opinion on the massive socialist Big Government boondoggle farm subsidies?


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I was in downtown Vancouver this past summer. The streets are littered with drug users, many unconscious. This was the city that was considered to be the best place to live in North America. The police warned me to stay away from Chinatown. I took their advice.


So many guns, so little time!
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