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Art Donovan......Now there was one mean son of a gun and dirty player!! Ha-ha!! He used to brag about how he would kick opposing players in the face and knock out their teeth after they got tackled and were laying on the ground. This was before they had face masks. I think they used to call him Fatso. He ended up being the "Bob Uecker" of football.

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When the Model 21 Skeet Gun was introduced in 1932, it was offered in Tournament Grade, Trap Grade and Custon Built (edit) Grade. From the 1935 Winchester Catalog --

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During 1935 Winchester dropped the Tournament Grade and by the 1936 Winchester Catalog the Model 21 Skeet Gun was offered in Standard Grade, Trap Grade and Custom Built (
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During 1938 Winchester dropped the Trap Grade. Cody plays very fast and loose with the terms "gun" and "grade." Winchester catalogs are very consistent with Model 21 Skeet Gun.

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Originally Posted by KY Jon
Yes Herb Parsons. A real nice fellow, to a kid who was amazed with what he did with a gun, be it a .22 or a shotgun. I was very young back then but he seemed to hit everything he shot at. I was blessed in my father knew a wide range of people. Once met John Unitas on a fishing trip my father took him and his offensive line on. Or later Artie Donovan and three other Colt defensive players on another fishing trip off Ocean City Maryland. When you are a kid, those men were massive men, who you just were in awe of.

You are a fortunate man. What I wouldn't have given to meet Herb, even though I wouldn't have had a clue what to say to him. And it's so good to hear he was actually the nice guy he seemed to be. I've never been a hero worshipper, but there were people in the outdoor fields I looked at as role models, it's always good to find out they deserved respect and weren't lowlifes.

I'm guessing you didn't know him very well, but you did get to see him shoot, maybe have an interesting story? I have Showman Shooter on DVD and he was amazing. I'm envious of you.

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Originally Posted by Researcher
When the Model 21 Skeet Gun was introduced in 1932, it was offered in Tournament Grade, Trap Grade and Pigeon Grade. From the 1935 Winchester Catalog --

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During 1935 Winchester dropped the Tournament Grade and by the 1936 Winchester Catalog the Model 21 Skeet Gun was offered in Standard Grade, Trap Grade and Pigeon Grade --

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During 1938 Winchester dropped the Trap Grade. Cody plays very fast and loose with the terms "gun" and "grade." Winchester catalogs are very consistent with Model 21 Skeet Gun.
Which kinda proves my point. One of my Model 21s is stamped TRAP, and according to my Cody letter, it was shipped in September 1947. That is why I figure just about anything is possible with the 21s. smile

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Pigeon Grade?? Maybe post 1960, but not 1932, 1935 or 1936.

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Guess I must have had Model 1897/97s or Model 1912/12s Clouding my mind!! Obviously, the catalog pages I posted show Custom Built Grade.

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