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Yeah, I was thinkin' Breuil-Aulagnier, but I just don't think so.....



Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I would say it was a War Trophy. Many, many custodians buried their weapons in fear of death or a >>Siberian Holiday<<, which still existed in Russian Occupied parts of Europe Post WWII.

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

Anyone remember the name of the Belgian barrel maker (KAH)? He worked for Lhermite & Bruyninck at one time. I’ve seen his mark many times.
TIA

Note that that the barrels and barrel flats from Rick's previously discussed AB Saint-Etienne gun are virtually identical to this new one the "inherited gun": Same crossed plumes. Anyone remember what those are? they are proof marks but from when?

Not mentioned here Clapper
https://www.littlegun.be/arme%20bel...%20lhermitte%20and%20bruyninckx%20gb.htm

4 Palm Version - Subject double plus 1 Palm


Rick's minus 1 Palm - 3 Palm Version

I seem to remember as it was some in-house proof designation?


Serbus,

Raimey
rse

These I believe might be Manufrance in-house proof stamps (from pre-1924?). The last crossed plume or crossed feather or crossed palm looks more fluffy. You'll note five on the barrel flats, two Saint-Etienne proofs on the barrel.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=597374&page=6



FAB500 advised that the above gun was made pre WWI . .but had the lighting bolt stamp for in-house proof begun in Summer 1924 for some reason.
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forum...Main=39635&Number=595336#Post595336?

Translation of Fab's above comments on MF proof stamps!

(Manufrance) lightening bolt stamp on the barrels and on the action - appeared as a Saint-Etienne proof stamp on 18 March 1924, to designate an arm proofed in the state of delivery. . .

From 1926 MF no longer used the Saint-Etienne proof house; They proofed their arms internally. The "Crowned PT" stamp, as well as the "foudre" stamp replaced them (Saint-Étienne proof house stamps) (see photo).

This information comes from this book:
https://www.lamanu-armes-edition.com/

the crossed fronds (?) on the barrel flats are the in-house quality ratings of the tubes....examples seen here are 3 crossed fronds, another step up with 4 crossed fronds, and the mf set with 5 crossed fronds (not precisely the same stamp as the prior examples - but likely conveying the same, or similar meanings).

the mf set is also marked acier hercule tempe, as indicates a heat tempering process and is seen on upper grade guns from mf - also note that set of barrels is from a 450 double rifle...not a shotgun.

best regards,
tom

Similar to what I recalled but which Stéphanois manufacturer was applying said >>in-house<< crossed fronds?

Serbus,

Raimey
rse

I'd also like to know when that "in house" proof-mark began, when it ended and who had the right to do this.

Here is another AB....key and entire gun not pictured but there is an AB surmounted by a crown on the barrel flats, AB on the barrels and it has four crossed fronds or palms on the flats in addition to two Saint-Etienne proof marks and Jean Breuil barrels....interesting.
https://www.shotgunworld.com/threads/any-idea-of-this-french-shotgun-id.497178/


I've searched "Armurerie Bxxx" and "Arquebusier Bxxxx"...all sorts of names - tried to find lists of 1920's Stephanois gun makers, etc. No dice so far.