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Likely true but not likely Ted! Perhaps growth hormones in the food chain? Widespread herbicide use? Video games? Anything but the schools!
Chief Spend a week in a public school as an observer. They didn’t want me there, but, my kid was supposed to go there the following year, and I insisted. When it was over, I told them straight out he wouldn’t be attending, and sent him to a private school. What is happening in the public schools is criminal. Best, Ted My ex volunteered at my son's public elementary school, working one on one helping kids to learn to read. So she spent lots of time observing the environment. We switched him to a private school starting in fifth grade. The public system is a disaster.
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I will add a couple of real world first hand situations that have very good knowledge of related to experiences with lead. One was a fellow who painted cars indoors in his shop for a living just outside of New Market Va. His shop was located in his garage. His 4 year daughter lived in the bedroom located above the garage. She was fine and healthy until she wasn't. The fumes from the lead paint made it into her bedroom and she inhaled them every night. She got lead poisoning and essentially became autistic. She never got better. Needed full time nursing care.
The other person was a range instructor who volunteered to train incoming government contractors in Iraq after the invasion. Folks were flowing in left and right and they were not certified to carry sidearm and they had to be trained by the dozens. All the training was done underground with essentially no ventilation. He trained folks for 6 months every day. The students came in for a week. They were not affected in that short time, but he was. Got classic lead poisoning and received a full disability. The outcome is he had heavy metal in his body and there was no way to remediate it 100 percent. His thinking went to crap and he could not father children. I knew him before and after this happened. His world was gone.
The stuff is real. Now as the government always does is take things to extremes, and if everything looks like a nail, you just need a bigger hammer to make it work.
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Both of those cases were because of prolonged high volume exposure. To me anyway, that’s much different than eating a pellet now and then. The same with goes with birds. But what’s it matter, climate change is gonna kill everyone in 10 years including birds
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I will add a couple of real world first hand situations that have very good knowledge of related to experiences with lead. One was a fellow who painted cars indoors in his shop for a living just outside of New Market Va. His shop was located in his garage. His 4 year daughter lived in the bedroom located above the garage. She was fine and healthy until she wasn't. The fumes from the lead paint made it into her bedroom and she inhaled them every night. She got lead poisoning and essentially became autistic. She never got better. Needed full time nursing care.
The other person was a range instructor who volunteered to train incoming government contractors in Iraq after the invasion. Folks were flowing in left and right and they were not certified to carry sidearm and they had to be trained by the dozens. All the training was done underground with essentially no ventilation. He trained folks for 6 months every day. The students came in for a week. They were not affected in that short time, but he was. Got classic lead poisoning and received a full disability. The outcome is he had heavy metal in his body and there was no way to remediate it 100 percent. His thinking went to crap and he could not father children. I knew him before and after this happened. His world was gone.
The stuff is real. Now as the government always does is take things to extremes, and if everything looks like a nail, you just need a bigger hammer to make it work. You have to really reach back in time here, because automotive paint containing lead was banned in 1978. It isn't much of an issue anymore, except for body-shop men who are exposed to sanding dust from vintage cars. The case involving the 4 yr. old girl is more of a case of parental stupidity and negligence. Even back when lead based paint was used on cars, there were plenty of warnings about proper ventilation, and there were also known risks from other components such as the V.O.C.'s in the paint and thinners. The girl's symptoms may have been due to other components of the paint, and not just lead. What is the mentality of a parent who would let their small child sleep in a bedroom that smelled like an automotive paint booth? Same goes for indoor shooting range air quality. It has been known for decades that there is risk of lead exposure in poorly ventilated indoor ranges. Most of that is due to the lead styphnate used in primers... a much more bio-available form of lead than either bullets or shot. Don't forget that lead styphnate primer compound is still used in virtually all of the ballistically inferior so-called non-tox ammo. I had an older friend who took a job as an electrician in a battery manufacturing plant. He told me spent lots of time repairing damage due to short circuits and grounds caused by an accumulation of very fine lead dust. He took it upon himself to start blowing this dust out of electrical cabinets and components with compressed air, and got the dust on his skin and in his lungs. He never used a respirator or Haz-Mat suit. This went on for a while until he began experiencing symptoms of lead poisoning. He underwent chelation therapy, and it took about a year to reduce his blood lead levels and alleviate his symptoms completely. He had known the risks, and exposed himself anyway. We are also cautioned about eating or drinking while handling lead, and maintaining good ventilation while engaging in lead bullet or fishing weight casting. Follow some simple precautions and it is a virtual non-issue... except to the activists who wish to eliminate those activities. Unfortunately, we will always have stupid people who do stupid things. And that involves everything from misusing household chemicals to cleaning motorcycle parts in gasoline right next to the pilot flame in a hot water tank. Should we ban household bleach just because some fools mix it with ammonia, and sustain permanent lung damage? Should we ban Tylenol just because overdoses of acetaminophen is the biggest cause of liver damage leading to transplants? I question the wisdom of shooters who help the anti-lead ammo forces by engaging in hysterics about forms of lead that have virtually nothing to do with 99.999% of lead ammunition usage. If public safety is truly the great concern, then there are much bigger fish to fry... like eliminating medical mistakes or deporting violent illegal alien felons.
The"Big Tent" of Gun owners is a Big Fraud... to give cover to fools who vote for Anti-gunners.
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As far as I know , not one person involved in the banning of lead ammunition here in the UK is a shooting person , our National Shooting organisations are not robustly defending their membership against proposed change , just rolling over easily . I have been involved with shooting for more than sixty years , 25 fulltime employed in an indoor pipe range , regular blood tests without any issues and none of my workmates have died because of Lead poisoning .
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As far as I know , not one person involved in the banning of lead ammunition here in the UK is a shooting person , our National Shooting organisations are not robustly defending their membership against proposed change , just rolling over easily . I have been involved with shooting for more than sixty years , 25 fulltime employed in an indoor pipe range , regular blood tests without any issues and none of my workmates have died because of Lead poisoning . You do realize there is more to than that, of course.
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What does the MLAGB(National Muzzleloading Association of Great Briton) think of the new lead restriction rules? Maybe the shotgunners can substitute bismuth but what of the ML Rigby, Whitworth and such riles; including the BP cartridge guns to do?
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The poster above is correct, as is ted a bit further down. There are already steel shot loads available in the UK that are perfectly safe in guns with a nitro proof, but without the steel shot proof. Those loads use smaller sized shot and at reduced velocity andpressure compared to the loads approved for guns with a steel shot proof.
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As I understand it at present, rifle ranges will be allowed to use bullets containing lead, and that the sand butts will be graded and filtered to remove the lead every so often. Apparently bird shot from game and clay shotgun cartridges contribute 96 % of the lead problem.
Air rifle pellets and .22 rimfire loads will be exempt from any ban as there is no other alternative that works. Also centrefire cartridges up to 0.240" will continue to be able to have lead cores. This has upset a lot of deer stalkers who use the .243 Winchester cartridge.
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Historic Bore, "Apparently bird shot from game and clay shotgun cartridges contribute 96 % of the lead problem."
What is the problem please? LEAD comes out of the ground in the first place. As you may have guessed I oppose any lead ban . Salopian
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