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Tempering any thrill I could have for being forced to shoot steel at everything I hunt, are the memories of several Browning A5 barrels from my youth, bulged from the use of heavy loads of number 2 lead shot and/or some form of buckshot.
This was a solid decade before anyone was talking about steel shot.
The guns were looked to at Ahlman’s, and pronounced fit for service with no work being performed.
I thought, then and now, differently.
The whims of time and use leave me with further doubts about the suitability of a gun proofed in England, circa 1954 to use steel shot loads of any type. There has been plenty of opportunity for those tubes to be honed, blued, and rusted under and between the ribs.
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Just more BS. If you are my age, 70. You can remember when lead was in the paint. They decided to take lead out as they say it was dangerous. Said kids were eating it. I can not remember any of my friend eating it or myself. Can any of you remember reading about any kid who died eating paint? Not me. Also all our pipes in the basement when I lived in PA were wrapped in asbestos. My grandmothers house had them too. She lived until 98.
Because of all these government rules and regulations do you feel safer now that you did years ago?
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...British thoughts on steel shot in vintage doubles... Your research and references are always welcome, they still speak more to excluding and excuses, than to real solutions. Tungsten for mundane fishing weights to catch carp, may the US resist steering its future toward recent medal of freedom recipient visions.
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Quickly, before it gets locked. Skimming the Fox news link on lead in the 60's. I am, as are probably most here, children of the 60's. Not saying that lead exposure did not affect me. Likely it did as I am not running the world or even a major Corp! That said as I look at the current crop of up and comings who were not exposed to lead, (or mercury) in quantity, to what will will we blame their mental and or physical condition(s)?
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Quickly, before it gets locked. Skimming the Fox news link on lead in the 60's. I am, as are probably most here, children of the 60's. Not saying that lead exposure did not affect me. Likely it did as I am not running the world or even a major Corp! That said as I look at the current crop of up and comings who were not exposed to lead, (or mercury) in quantity, to what will will we blame their mental and or physical condition(s)?
Chief The schools went to shit. Best, Ted _______________________________________________ Every class is either gender studies or climate crisis.
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Likely true but not likely Ted! Perhaps growth hormones in the food chain? Widespread herbicide use? Video games? Anything but the schools!
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Likely true but not likely Ted! Perhaps growth hormones in the food chain? Widespread herbicide use? Video games? Anything but the schools!
Chief Spend a week in a public school as an observer. They didn’t want me there, but, my kid was supposed to go there the following year, and I insisted. When it was over, I told them straight out he wouldn’t be attending, and sent him to a private school. What is happening in the public schools is criminal. Best, Ted
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Ingestion of lead shot in game, by humans, has nothing to do with the clearly established consequences of lead pipe contamination, lead in paint, and lead vapor inhalation from leaded gasoline, in children. Believing otherwise is sadly uninformed, and I wouldn't share your opinions with the mothers of your grandchildren. Of course not Preacher. Most of us understand that a few lead pellets that quickly pass through the digestive tract of a human is not the most bio-available form of lead. The same might be said about water from lead pipes that are heavily calcified. We also know that lead is toxic to some degree in any amount. But for the vast majority of Americans, and for hunters who consume meat shot with lead ammo, there is extremely little actual long term harm being done, as compared to a wide range of chemicals, drugs, and even foods. Be honest now, if you possibly can. And don't Cherry Pick or twist one thing I said, and evade the rest as you often do. In your medical practice, have you seen more deaths due to lead exposure, or excess consumption of sugar... or fats... or alcohol... or smoking? Would you care to quantify the differences for us? How much irreversible damage or death from lead poisoning have you actually seen in children? Have you gone lead free Preacher, or are you still flinging this deadly toxic element all over the place? Are you at all concerned that children and compromised adults might be exposed to the lead you fire while hunting or skeet shooting? You seem somehow invested in repeatedly posting links to how bad lead is. Why would you be a shill for banning lead, and not those other things that apparently are causing much more disease and mortality? Can you say that lead is a bigger problem for us than exposure to the phthalates in the plastics that have become ubiquitous in our lives? How about PFOA's on our frying pans and carpeting, or the BPA in our water bottles and food packaging? Is lead worse than RoundUp or other herbicides? Do more people die from lead exposure, or the giant blood clots and other side effects of Covid19 vaccines? How about commenting on deaths due to lead versus fentanyl overdoses due to Democrat Open Border policies??? Did you know that even with a great reduction in lead exposure in children thanks to getting lead out of paints, gasoline, plumbing, ammunition, and closure of smelters and mines, test scores among U.S. children have actually gone down over the past 30 years? Do you think those dropping test scores are due to lower lead exposure, or is our Public Education System doing more damage to children than lead? Did you know that Medical Mistakes are one of the leading causes of deaths in the U.S., killing as many as 251,000 people each year? That's way more than lead poisoning and firearms deaths of all kinds. And did you know that less than 10% of these frequently deadly medical errors are reported? Believing otherwise is sadly uninformed, and I wouldn't share your opinions with the mothers of your grandchildren. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28186008/https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/new...erious-harms-from-diagnostic-error-in-ushttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical-errors-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-america.html
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Quickly, before it gets locked. Skimming the Fox news link on lead in the 60's. I am, as are probably most here, children of the 60's. Not saying that lead exposure did not affect me. Likely it did as I am not running the world or even a major Corp! That said as I look at the current crop of up and comings who were not exposed to lead, (or mercury) in quantity, to what will will we blame their mental and or physical condition(s)?
Chief Over exposure to TV and latterly the Internet ! Lack of exposure to the real ,outdoors world. Exposure to recreational substances far more harmful than any lead residue !!!!
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