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I received this in my Dickson newsletter.
Lead in Ammunition Restriction for UK
In 2021 the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA) tasked the Health and Safety executive (HSE) to examine the use of lead in ammunition. After a series of public consultations and direct communication, HSE have now issued their ‘Final Opinion’. The Final Opinion is, in parallel, now presented to the Secretary of State for DEFRA as the ‘appropriate authority’ for action. He now has 3 months to take action, most likely the production of a statutory instrument to present to Parliament. Without objection, this then becomes law.
Outline statement:
Lead Shot
• The use of lead shot for live quarry shooting would be prohibited.
• The use of lead shot for target shooting would be prohibited. However, a derogation will allow a for a number of competitive athletes on British Shooting lists to continue shooting lead shot for the purposes of international competition and training.
• The placing on the market of lead shot for target shooting would be prohibited. However, a derogation will allow for supply to competitive athletes.
• 5 year transition for all above.
With a fine gun on his arm, a man becomes a sporting gentleman, both on the field and off.
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Such unadulterated bullsh/t. Serves no one and does nothing of benefit. Idiots. JR
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I suppose the upside is more soft-tubed British guns will be flowing to this side of the pond. Stand by for more low cost but high quality 12ga guns (often 2.5 inch) incoming!
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Such unadulterated bullsh/t. Serves no one and does nothing of benefit. Idiots. JR All depends upon your perspective John. For the Liberal Left anti-gun forces, this is another victory in their relentless fight to end the shooting sports, and private gun ownership. This is purely political.. and it is also 100% on-topic because it directly affects the availability of suitable, effective, and affordable ammunition for vintage Double Guns. But don't mention that here, or those who support the anti-gun Democrats who push for similar restrictions in the U.S. will move heaven and earth to silence and censor you, or ban you completely.
The"Big Tent" of Gun owners is a Big Fraud... to give cover to fools who vote for Anti-gunners.
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I suppose the upside is more soft-tubed British guns will be flowing to this side of the pond. Stand by for more low cost but high quality 12ga guns (often 2.5 inch) incoming! I wonder what our UK members will think of this sentiment??? It's rather selfish and crude... something like feeling that it would be great to visit Ukraine after the war ends... because so many of their men have been killed, and that means more single women will be available. Of course, if our UK members supported and voted for the anti-gunners who screwed them, as many Liberal gun owners do here, then I'd have to say Elections Have Consequences, and they got what they deserve. I can only hope they are smarter than several short-sighted gun owners right here.
The"Big Tent" of Gun owners is a Big Fraud... to give cover to fools who vote for Anti-gunners.
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Do these idiots know how many places in that nation are natural deposits of lead? Pointless decision. This is like deciding wind will be the only source of electric and then find out that you need fossil fuel to make everything needed for wind. Deciding to do it anyway and refuse the use of oil, gas or coal. It is easy too to take away other people property, or change the rules so it has no value, or just can not be used. And by their limited selection of exemptions, they disarm those few in a position to point out their stupidity.
For us this means an already soft double market is about to free fall, again. I have bought several AYA number 4's for less than $300.00 in 90+%. I doubt they will cost much over $200.00 now and those are semi steel friendly. Older guns do not stand a chance I am afraid. More to the trash bin than the auction house. If the markets tanks few will bother. And non ejector guns are a hard sell already at any price. Those you will be able to buy in lots of five at Holt's for pennies. I wish I was 25 years younger so I could buy several hundred and set it as my personal challenge to wear them all out shooting them.
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It is mighty frustrating, but we are hoisted with this ridiculous legislation here in the the UK, so will just have to get on with it. For myself, most of my shooting is driven game at partridge and pheasant; I shall not be using steel in any of my guns. I do not believe it has the same lethality as lead. Besides, my old girls were made for lead cartridges. I shall be using the Bioammo Blue Diggory writes about here: https://www.vintageguns.co.uk/magazine/blue-is-the-colour Note that 2 1/2" cases are now available. Some of my shooting friends have started using these cartridges in their old British guns and report back most favourably. I still have my usual lead cartridges to get through before I begin using the Blue. I do not feel that Holts is about to be flooded with masses of old British shotguns going for a song and ripe for export to North America, though! Sure, there have been more such guns coming to auction but that is generally because the younger generation of game shooters have been bought up and trained using O/U rather than SxS. They are not as sentimental as my generation of baby boomers about using their fathers, grandfathers and great grandfathers guns, as I have been fortunate to do. When I decide to stop shooting I shall, as things stand at the moment, be selling my guns because none of my four children have shared my passion, despite all being introduced to it at a young age; just the way it goes, sometimes. Tim
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"I do not feel that Holts is about to be flooded with masses of old British shotguns going for a song and ripe for export to North America, though!"
If they can not be shot why would they not head to the only market for them? If they hold no value to shoot what are they then? An asset to sell, to get some value out of, or a relic to keep with little real interest in ever using. I have dealt with these issues with antiques and fine china from family estates. Nobody wants them, only some of the value. Your fellow shooters are facing aging out of shooting and now having their guns made almost impossible to shoot, at the same time. Once they pass their guns will need to be passed on to heirs with no interest in them, made worse because they can not even use them at all. I know they are working on lower pressure steel shot loads in 2 1/2" but they are only of interest to those willing to shoot. Few young people are, fewer with a double. Falling generational interest as you pointed out has already decreased demand. Making it harder will decrease it further. Supply and demand with decreasing demand gaining every day.
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Yes, the steel revolution is coming.
But the issue has nothing to do with party politics - all the parties support this. The 'science' of lead has overwhelmed common sense, and is coming in across Europe as well. Being 76 means that I am less worried about this than others. The five year transition will cover most of my future shooting.
But there are now some standard pressure iron shot loads in 2.5" cartridges that are not too bad, providing that one has no more than half choke.
Someone at our shoot lunch yesterday was telling us of his 30 year old son selling his boxlock 12 bore side-by-side back to the gunshop that supplied it. He bought it for £1200 / $1500 three years ago. They gave him 50 cartridges for it.... Ouch!
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I know cartridges are expensive but I would have told that gunshop where they could put their 50 cartridges- base first.
The legislation is a solution to a non-existent problem, but is inevitable in the current situation.
At least (fingers crossed) the current proposals spare .22 rimfire lead ammunition and lead air gun pellets for pest control for lack of viable alternatives.
In centre fire hunting ammunition non-lead expanding bullets are available but in many calibres will be a re-loading only proposition.
For shotguns Bismuth is almost as good as lead, but monstrously expressive.
Getting satisfactory .410 ammunition is going to be a real problem.
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