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John
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In this situation, it's understandable to feel a responsibility towards the younger buyer. Ideally, you could have politely mentioned the pitting you noticed and suggested the buyer consult a gunsmith before purchase. This would have given them a chance to make a more informed decision. However, approaching a stranger after their purchase might be unwelcome. It's best to trust the store's expertise and hope the salesman didn't mislead the buyer. If you know the store owners well, you could mention the situation later as a friendly heads-up, but avoid criticizing the salesperson directly.

NOYB

WTFRU?

I would have educated him on salt wood Brownings after he first picked it up to help him make a better informed decision.

Talking to him - educating him, if you will - after the sale is probably worse than useless. He bought the gun, which means that in his mind he is sold on the gun. Your education would be fighting his confirmation bias, i.e., the conviction he's bought the right gun, which came after deciding this was the right gun for him. Not only would you be spitting into the wind, but you'd likely be insulting him (at least in his eyes).

Talking to him before the sale might have a more welcoming reception, but only if he wanted the help. Giving unsolicited help is very, very rarely a good thing to undertake. How one would approach the kid would be very important to the ultimate result.

The salesman feeding him a line of crap about the pitting is either at fault for defrauding his customer, if it was a deliberate deception, or too ignorant to be giving expert advice if not. In either instance, I suppose you would be within your rights to tell the store management about what you saw, assuming your relationship with the owner was sufficiently developed that he would listen to you. It is entirely possible that the store owner/manager was ignorant of salt-wood Brownings, or overlooked it inadvertently, too. It should be unlikely, but it could happen. Or they could have overlooked checking the serial number. Or they could have decided it wasn't worth quibbling over and any disclosure they intended was either forgotten or not communicated well.

Or the kid could have known exactly what he wanted and found it there, known about the salt wood on his own inspection, and took it on anyway.

It is likely a fifty plus year old gun, the buyer needs to assess what they clearly saw. There's been a couple of comments about the salesman. In a "large" store, this person may embellish, but cannot be held to the standard of a Belgian Browning expert, nor signed off on inventory.

I highly doubt the "buyer" would be insulted, but there's a chance they use comments by the misguided expert, as ammunition in a loud buyer's remorse scene in the store. If I owned the store....might have to flag mr helper, for being detrimental to conducting normal and reasonable business.

I'd have stopped him in the parking lot and educated him about salt wood guns. If as young as your story implies I doubt like hell he knows about salt wood, nor the deceptive practices of certain retailers. While I am a big believer in buyer beware, I also believe in educating young people.

To Dave's point......I wouldn't have said anything about that particular gun. But I would tell him how to discern a salt wood gun and what the end result of not dealing with the salt is. And how much it costs to deal with it properly.

I think we have an idea why the gun was priced as "nicely" as you suggest. Which means someone in the store knows it is a salt wood gun.

I dare say every one of us who enjoy this site have purchased the firearms education we have with our personal hard-earned money one firearm at a time.

I was lucky enough to have people like CJO and Chris Dawe teach me a lot. For which I am ever grateful.

As well as members here like PA24.

The logical opposite may be even more true. Someone at the store knowingly took in a salt wood gun for pennies on the dollar, to pass the savings on to someone else, as well as earn their usual profit margin to make ends meet. The mentoring concept is huge, but it seems cringe worthy to chase down a stranger in a parking lot, immediately after a purchase that one was eavesdropping on. Maybe, a boy, you don't see those every day, gonna take it to the local skeet range?

Some people get insulted when you suggest their new treasure, purchased, or not, might have some warts.

No good deed goes unpunished.

Best,
Ted

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Maybe you could follow him home and tell him his spouse is ugly.

For what reasons do you make such offensive posts?

Does it make you feel better?

Very sad commentary.

Who the phuk do you people think you are?

You would only get one reply from me if you came up to me as I was walking out of the store. I would say good for you, now go phuk yourself.

My new firearm purchase is my business, not yours.

If you want to shit on somebody, go play on the Internet.

Now hit the bricks geezer.


How’s that for a clear “What would you do?” Reply.


I don’t even want to know why some of you think you have the right to go up to somebody out of the blue and shit on their new purchase.

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Really? Butting in and telling a complete stranger that he got hoodwinked on a purchases the same as saying his wife is ugly and just as rude and obnoxious.

If you were at a tag sale and bought a used pc of Stickley furniture and as you were loading it, someone told you that in 62-68, they did not use quarter sawn oak and you got hoodwinked, how would react. Like Clapper I would tell you to MYOB. The OP premise is ridiculous and then he changes the details

Frankly, the saddest thing is your obnoxious, oversized picture. It seems like you are compensating.
Who else does this?

Maybe you should resize it and then look in the mirror to see if you suffer from an Irony deficiency

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It doesn’t offend me.
It is the intrusion into someone else’s life that does.

It’s no one else’s business but the buyer’s.

Certainly none of yours.

I have thoughts on why people feel compelled to do such things. That wasn’t the original question however.

The old saw, “if you can’t say something nice don’t say anything at all”…definitely applies to shotgun purchases at retail gun shops.

Amen!
JR

Time for advice is before the marriage/purchase, not before the divorce. If I was that concerned I would have doubled back and asked the kid or the salesman within the kids earshot if the browning was a salt gun? For all we know the salt wood may have been replaced 50 years ago. And the pitting you saw has been that way ever since. But I would never rain on the kids new purchase afterwards.

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Did you really need others' opinions as to what you should have done? It's pretty obvious to me. Nevertheless CZ nailed it for you.

The thread offends? Prefer to help, or not?

Why not own it. Your assumptions offend, your definition of help, offends. Your condescending tone, offends? Any possibilities here, any back sliding on your civility resolution, pot stirring for recreational sport, looking at handguns are we?

This is kind of a tough question with no one size fits all answer. If the salesman would intentionally misinform a younger kid about pitting on a salt wood era Browning, he would probably do the same to Jimmy, or CZ, or any of us. But the best time to discreetly educate the kid would be as soon as he picked up the gun, and before he headed to the counter to start negotiating. I've had my share of gun salesmen who lied to try to make a sale. Not some clueless Cabela's part-timer who doesn't know a revolver from a semi, but salesmen who knew better. I wouldn't get angry if some smarter older guy advised caveat emptor.

We should all learn from our mistakes, but I always told my kids it is a lot less painful to learn from other's mistakes. A lot of guys come here with questions before they buy, and we try to offer advice that might either cause or prevent a purchase. If they offer too much information about a great deal, we've seen some here locate the gun and buy it out from under them... another form of buyer beware. However, interfering in a sale, or telling the kid after the fact that he got screwed isn't going to make you very popular. And consider the opposite side of this coin. What if you saw an elderly lady you knew in the process of selling her late husband's high grade Parker for a small fraction of its' actual worth. Would you say something, or just let her get screwed, and hope Karma later took care of the cheating buyer? I recently advised a guy here that it would be a mistake to Cerrakote the barrels of a vintage English double shotgun, and a couple others politely advised the same, offering better alternatives. He made it clear that he wasn't interested in our advice, and may have wondered why he didn't get high praise when he later posted after photos of his Cerrakoted gun. We tried giving good unsolicited advice. No skin off my posterior that he didn't like it, and I hope he's happy. You can't save them all.

There does seem to be a general consensus that it is almost always poor form to interfere with a sale in progress, and I agree. So is it any different when the Nutty Professor is the guy most likely to interfere or undermine potential gun sales of those he does not like in the For Sale Forum here? He continues to do it, even knowing that preventing his enemies from making a sale also prevents Dave Weber from potentially earning his $12.00 fee for a successful sale. I think NOYB and WTFRU are valid points there. Nothing a little Moderation couldn't fix though.

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Jimmy,
Things haven’t changed.
If something is none of your business, it still remains none of your business.


I’m not going to waste another electron trying help you understand basic manners.

The best course to follow: Don't comment on anyone else's gun unless they ask for your opinion.

I have very little experience with Browning salt guns, but recently bought a mint looking 1968 12 gauge 28" modified and full round knob Super at an internet auction. The price was such that I didn't care whether it was a salt gun or not. There was a thin line of missing blue on one side of the action against the stock, about an inch long and as wide as a line made with a ball point pen. On removing the stock, I found that the inside of the action was unblemished, no sign of rust at all. The gun may have been a salt gun, but no evidence of it. I am not a fan of short tang Supers, but couldn't pass this one up.

Jimmy, an old man, is eavesdropping and stalking on virile young men in a gun store then approaches them in the parking lot to talk about removing salt from their wood.

Does anyone think there is something off about this behavior?

There's something off about all his behavior, and this thread. I'd be willing to bet this "event" never even happened. He's just trolling everybody. He's playing his "naive, innocent nice guy" routine, just wondering what everyone else would do, when he's really just trying to stir up s--t. Which is what he does.

Look at his next to last reply, before it disappears. Gee, thanks everyone, blah, blah, blah. And then he throws another baited hook out, "the people on his ignore list", trying to draw them in and stir things up further.

He seems to delete or edit a lot of posts, that should tell you something about what he's doing right there.

I agree completely Tim, really unbalanced behavior, and a serious case of Trump Derangement Syndrome too. Jimmy W still claims to IGNORE my posts, but keeps sending me PM's, which I have never responded to or even bothered to open. The most recent I received was on 7/9/24, only a couple days after he proudly announced again that I am on his long IGNORE list. I made a reply to this Thread yesterday, which hasn't been posted yet, knowing Jimmy would read it. The IGNORE function here has been like an online I.Q. Test for our Libtards, and the vast majority score right up there with garden vegetables.

He had a pretty long absence from this forum, but showed up back here in full force in the spring of 2023. It could be a coincidence, but that seems to be around the same time-frame that I saw a Liberal Left Troll with a similar posting style get booted from the Indiana Gun Owner's forum because of his incessant trolling and being a general complete idiot. That INGO forum Troll even used the same emoji's Jimmy uses here.

The Nutty Professor feels he is a wonderful asset here, so that should tell us all we need to know.

So, not even a "Man alive, that is a beautiful, high condition Mossberg!"?

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Stan, a few months ago I bought my daughter a nice high condition Mossberg Pump shotgun as a house cleaning tool for unwanted miscreants. It even has a black synthetic stock, and despite being in perfect condition, it is less beautiful than a pit bulldog. It also has a worse bite than a pit bulldog. It doesn't eat as much as a pit bulldog, and unlike a pit bulldog, it will not mistake the mail-man or meter reader for a burglar or home invader. A pit bulldog has a menacing bark, but I think the distinct sound a pump shotgun makes when racking a shell into the chamber is even more likely to make an intruder piss their pants and run for the hills.

That's something our doubles aren't quite so good at.

I have my short barreled pump too, Keith. Mine is a Winchester SXP. Not pretty as a Fox or Parker, but to use your bulldog analogy, it barks here and bites out yonder. It was recommended to me by an ex-special forces military contractor/instructor who taught soldiers in close quarter combat in the Middle East for many years.

Truth is my statement wasn't meant to be about Mossbergs at all. I just used that name to make a point that I see nothing at all wrong with making a comment of praise to a young man who just purchased a gun, without him asking me for it. I don't think L. Brown meant that, either, but misspoke.

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